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Old 09-24-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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I don't have any children yet, but I could not approve or accept it. Gender identity disorder is a mental disorder that needs to be addressed and treated.

I'd also probably feel upset and disappointed but hopefully something like this won't ever happen.
so in other words you would disown this child. Sad beyond words. nobody is saying it would be a day in the park but most of us know that this particular child would need our love and support even more than we could possibly imagine. How heartbreaking to be turned away when you need your parents the most.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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Well, it's not something that I would *wish* for my child- like divorce, for example- but I would deal with it if it happened. I love my kids unconditionally, but that doesn't mean I have to approve of everything they do. I certainly wouldn't disown them!
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:30 PM
 
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so in other words you would disown this child. Sad beyond words. nobody is saying it would be a day in the park but most of us know that this particular child would need our love and support even more than we could possibly imagine. How heartbreaking to be turned away when you need your parents the most.
As usual, people on here take things out of context. I never said I would "disown" my child did I?

Just because a parent gets disappointed in something their child does/did doesn't mean they disown or turn them away. For instances, some examples would be that parents get disappointed and upset when their kids do poorly in school or when they end up pregnant as teens. Are you saying they all disown them?

I know what it's like to be disowned though, my mother has done that to me because I'm not going to a university.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Hillsborough
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It would be an adjustment, but I could handle it. I have a cousin who is transgendered, and I have found it to be much harder to change the pronoun I use than the name. I think it took my aunt a few years to really settle into it, but she had some preparation because first my cousin came out as lesbian for a few years before she came out as trans, so there was already some acclimation to the ***** scene.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:08 PM
 
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It's officially a mental disorder and is one in every country except France. It's a medical condition, it has nothing to do with being a "bigot".

Gender identity disorder - PubMed Health
While gender identity disorder is rare, there *is* evidence suggesting that it is genetic or determined by the hormones the fetus experiences in the womb.

Is transexuality genetically determined

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The researchers found that the transsexual subjects were more likely to have a longer version of the androgen receptor gene in their DNA.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:10 PM
 
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I would be happy. Happy that they have the opportunity to live as themselves, to not be something they aren't, to not just be an expected version of themselves, but to be truly them and live a fulfilled life.

Isn't that ultimately what we want, (as long as their true self isn't Dexter) for our kids?
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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I could not approve or accept it.
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I never said I would "disown" my child did I?
How do you reconcile those two posts then? You would demand a child live a lie? It would be kinder to disown them.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:18 PM
 
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I would say that being transgender goes way farther than simply cross dressing. It is taking on the characteristics and gender roles of the opposite sex. I met a woman that dressed in men's clothing because she seen it as empowerment. In her mind, dressing like a man would give her more power over women assuming that she thinks women are weaker than men. Funny thing is, she wasn't gay. So back to square one, transgender goes far beyond simply cross-dressing.
Women wearing men's clothes has always been viewed differently.

For one reason "traditional" men's clothes are more functional -- there is a good reason for mannish looking hiking boots, or steel toed shoes, boots, blue-jeans and overalls, flannel shirts, etc. "Traditional" women's clothes are the opposite of practical. There's no reason for the frills on a blouse, or high spiked heels, or tight short skirts except to get male attention.

A girl or woman wanting to wear the more functional kind of clothes -- for example riding a horse, or working in a garden, painting a room, going for a hike always had to either wait for women's clothes to become more functional or resort to wearing men's clothes but it was never sexual.

Even worse than wearing tight short skirts and frilly blouses and make-up would be to see a son with breast implants. I don't know if I would disown a transgender child - probably not but I would never see my son as a daughter and I would never see my daughter as a son.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:22 PM
 
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Well, it's not something that I would *wish* for my child- like divorce, for example- but I would deal with it if it happened. I love my kids unconditionally, but that doesn't mean I have to approve of everything they do. I certainly wouldn't disown them!
Being transgendered isn't something a child or adult *does*

Most people are cisgendered. When you are cisgendered, your gender identify (what gender you feel yourself to be) matches your biological sex.

People who are cisgendered think that being transgendered is something a child *does* (as opposed to something they *are*) because they've never had to experience feeling uncomfortable in one's own skin. You literally can't understand how that feels...which is okay, and you should count yourself lucky. But thinking that being transgender is an action or choice is why the suicide and murder rate of transgendered individuals (particularity transwomen) is so appallingly high.

That isn't because being transgendered itself leads to depression. Too many people perceive a transgender individual as a threat because they are going against the all important gender boundaries. Transwomen are often met with violence. That isn't something someone CHOOSES. The choice they are making is becoming comfortable in their own skin, so they can have the same feeling that everyone else takes for granted.

It breaks my heart that my cousin's son may be transgendered and my cousin can't accept that. If he is transgendered (in which the proper pronoun will be she), her reaction has the potential to make a HUGE difference in his life. When society itself becomes a dangerous or unwelcoming place, it is ESSENTIAL to have a safe harbor...to know that there are people who love you AND accept you for you- whoever that turns out to be.

I am endlessly grateful to my mother for providing that for me. She didn't wait for me to struggle through and figure things out alone when I was questioning my identity. She told me early and often that who I was as an individual was okay. She was never embarrassed when I wasn't like the other girls. She also made it very clear that if I came home with a boyfriend or a girlfriend or even both, it wouldn't matter. Because of that, I grew up very self-confident and happy in my self, because I had something so many other differently gendered individuals don't...that safe harbor.

A parent's reaction to gender identity or sexual orientation (which are not connected) can BREAK their child. It can also give them the support they need to withstand the crap society will throw at them just for trying to become who they always were. You can't make a child stop being transgendered- you can only force them to hide it. No one should be forced to hide in their own home
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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Women wearing men's clothes has always been viewed differently.

For one reason "traditional" men's clothes are more functional -- there is a good reason for mannish looking hiking boots, or steel toed shoes, boots, blue-jeans and overalls, flannel shirts, etc. "Traditional" women's clothes are the opposite of practical. There's no reason for the frills on a blouse, or high spiked heels, or tight short skirts except to get male attention.

A girl or woman wanting to wear the more functional kind of clothes -- for example riding a horse, or working in a garden, painting a room, going for a hike always had to either wait for women's clothes to become more functional or resort to wearing men's clothes but it was never sexual.

Even worse than wearing tight short skirts and frilly blouses and make-up would be to see a son with breast implants. I don't know if I would disown a transgender child - probably not but I would never see my son as a daughter and I would never see my daughter as a son.
Women dressing as men is more acceptable in society because it means the women is dressing UP the scale. It's okay for a women to wear the trappings of a man because men hold power on a societal level. A man dressing as a women is dressing DOWN...he's making himself weaker, which makes him an embarrassment. Even though it is a man being affected by this, the reason is rooted in good old-fashioned misogyny. Men = good. Women = bad.

Transmen face corrective rape and mockery, but transwomen are often KILLED for dressing down the scale.
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