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Not one of those directions is incompatible with using spanking as a part of the overall plan.
I disagree. When a child lives in fear of being spanked for doing wrong, it can affect them for a lifetime.
How well would adults perform at work if they were spanked or otherwise physically hurt for wrong decisions or poor performance? They'd be afraid to make one false move. Most people wouldn't take risks, they wouldn't try to "think outside the box." They wouldn't do anything to draw attention to themselves. They would feel stifled and fearful. And they certainly wouldn't respect their superiors.
I believe no human's behavior should be controlled by another human via physical pain.
For example, you should not expect children 6 or younger to be able to sit still for long periods. You can certainly work to increase their ability to do this, but you should not *expect* that they can do so. And punishing them for not being able to do so is entirely unproductive.
Thank you for making this point. To this day, my mom (now in her 80s), when she sees a child such as you just described, will "brag" that all of her kids could sit still as long as she said so, because they knew they'd be paddled if they didn't. I just cringe when I hear my mom talk about how "well behaved" we kids all were, and that it was because she knew how to discipline us. No, I wasn't "well behaved," I was terrified, I was robotic, I was empty. I didn't DARE make a false move.
Thank you for making this point. To this day, my mom (now in her 80s), when she sees a child such as you just described, will "brag" that all of her kids could sit still as long as she said so, because they knew they'd be paddled if they didn't. I just cringe when I hear my mom talk about how "well behaved" we kids all were, and that it was because she knew how to discipline us. No, I wasn't "well behaved," I was terrified, I was robotic, I was empty. I didn't DARE make a false move.
Some of the folks in this thread would call that correctly disciplined. Others would call it cruel and unusual punishment.
Thank you for making this point. To this day, my mom (now in her 80s), when she sees a child such as you just described, will "brag" that all of her kids could sit still as long as she said so, because they knew they'd be paddled if they didn't. I just cringe when I hear my mom talk about how "well behaved" we kids all were, and that it was because she knew how to discipline us. No, I wasn't "well behaved," I was terrified, I was robotic, I was empty. I didn't DARE make a false move.
I defiantly don't like parents who will use the threat of spanking for every single offense. Kids are kids, alot of them aren't able to sit down for long periods of time, what your mom said ( and I mean no disrespect) seems like she loves to dominate her children and use a paddling as a punishment for getting restless.
I did explain it. The specific profile is "children who do not respond adequately to other methods of persuasion."
Like many other posters here, I find it very suspect that these terms and alleged realities are offered by parents who spank and not, say, researchers who have objectively identified kids who respond better to spanking than other methods. I mean, let's face it - we are talking about hitting children here. I think there should be some serious attention drawn to the supposed effectiveness of spanking.
I defiantly don't like parents who will use the threat of spanking for every single offense..
I lose the whole damned thread, spankers and on-spankers alike with words like "offense". Is that really what you think is going on with your kids? That they are little criminal offenders in need of rehabilitation? 99 times out of 100 they have no idea what the offense is and don't learn to misbehave until they learn that that is what we expect of them.
Spanking is the Last resort in the punishment chain, not the first resort. Spanking is NOT the same as beating.
Let's get off a chain of punishment! Can there be a better argument than that?
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