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Old 03-12-2013, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Summerville, SC
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I don't see paid maternity leave happening anytime soon. Paying someone not to work for a long period of time and paying for a replacement would be costly. Plus I don't think employers should be required to offer benefits.
And yet, in other nations it works extremely well.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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And yet, in other nations it works extremely well.
Comparing the US to other countries is comparing apples to oranges. I don't want my daughters and granddaughters viewed as liabilities to potential employers.

I have no issue with extended maternity leave. I don't think it should be paid unless the employers want to offer it. The couple should scrimp and save. Cut the cable/internet and other "fat" from their budget.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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And yet, in other nations it works extremely well.
I hate to admit it. But those nations (especially Scandinavian ones) are ahead of us at least 20 yrs in terms societal evolution.

Women there are part of the labor market at a much higher rate than women here.
The men/women pay gap is almost nonexistent.
Their infant mortality is the lowest in the world.

We are talking apples to oranges when we compare Scandinavian countries to America.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Summerville, SC
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I hate to admit it. But those nations (especially Scandinavian ones) are ahead of us at least 20 yrs in terms societal evolution.

Women there are part of the labor market at a much higher rate than women here.
The men/women pay gap is almost nonexistent.
Their infant mortality is the lowest in the world.

We are talking apples to oranges when we compare Scandinavian countries to America.
You're absolutely right, and it sickens me. It's why I roll my eyes every time I hear people boast about how we're the greatest country in the world. Um, no, we have quite a way to go.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Summerville, SC
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Comparing the US to other countries is comparing apples to oranges. I don't want my daughters and granddaughters viewed as liabilities to potential employers.

I have no issue with extended maternity leave. I don't think it should be paid unless the employers want to offer it. The couple should scrimp and save. Cut the cable/internet and other "fat" from their budget.
Think about it from another perspective.

I don't think we should have to pay for other peoples' retirement and medicare (since we are paying it forward, yet I doubt we will reap the benefits). People should either find a company who offers a livable pension, or scrimp and save. They don't need cable/internet - cut themselves off from the world.

I would never say this. However, I am highly for paid maternity leave as well, as well as affordable, quality child care for kids, who we spend the least on in this country - most goes towards care of the elderly. This infuriates me since it was the elderly who were very against raising taxes by a minuscule amount this last year in order to help repair aging schools (yes, old people, you do enjoy ridiculously low property taxes, but in SC, kids need working A/Cs in their schools, non-leaking roofing on their buildings, shouldn't have to eat lunch in HALLWAYS because the schools are that overcrowded, etc).
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Think about it from another perspective.

I don't think we should have to pay for other peoples' retirement and medicare (since we are paying it forward, yet I doubt we will reap the benefits). People should either find a company who offers a livable pension, or scrimp and save. They don't need cable/internet - cut themselves off from the world.

I would never say this. However, I am highly for paid maternity leave as well, as well as affordable, quality child care for kids, who we spend the least on in this country - most goes towards care of the elderly. This infuriates me since it was the elderly who were very against raising taxes by a minuscule amount this last year in order to help repair aging schools (yes, old people, you do enjoy ridiculously low property taxes, but in SC, kids need working A/Cs in their schools, non-leaking roofing on their buildings, shouldn't have to eat lunch in HALLWAYS because the schools are that overcrowded, etc).
I have no objection to spending on public schools. I would think the schools would set aside money for building maintenance costs/improvements. My wife's school went without hot water for two weeks because the water heater was leaking, they were putting bandaids on it. They replaced it with a used one. This district is not struggling.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Summerville, SC
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I have no objection to spending on public schools. I would think the schools would set aside money for building maintenance costs/improvements. My wife's school went without hot water for two weeks because the water heater was leaking, they were putting bandaids on it. They replaced it with a used one. This district is not struggling.
Our schools get very little in taxpayer money (I may be biased, I am a native New Yorker, where teachers are paid upwards of 100k a year). My annual tax on a 2500 sq ft home is less than one month's rent when I lived over an hour out of NYC, lol - and a small percentage of that goes to the schools.

The issue is our small town is booming in population (Charleston being a #1 travel destination as per Conde Nast, and my town being #1 place to retire). Problem is, those retirees don't want to pay for things they don't directly use/benefit from. Fortunately, there were enough families, and people who thought of the kids, to pass the referendum
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:18 PM
 
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Think about it from another perspective.

I don't think we should have to pay for other peoples' retirement and medicare (since we are paying it forward, yet I doubt we will reap the benefits).
My grandmother retired at 62 and is now 95. The costs of keeping her alive are unbelievable and it's paid for by the tax payer. It's really going to bite people in the ass down the road, but we'll all sleep in the beds we make if we're comprised of a nation that doesn't care about children. That's Christian America for ya.
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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Our schools get very little in taxpayer money (I may be biased, I am a native New Yorker, where teachers are paid upwards of 100k a year). My annual tax on a 2500 sq ft home is less than one month's rent when I lived over an hour out of NYC, lol - and a small percentage of that goes to the schools.

The issue is our small town is booming in population (Charleston being a #1 travel destination as per Conde Nast, and my town being #1 place to retire). Problem is, those retirees don't want to pay for things they don't directly use/benefit from. Fortunately, there were enough families, and people who thought of the kids, to pass the referendum
The median teacher salary in NYC isn't even 60K let alone 100k.

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Old 03-12-2013, 02:49 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I don't see paid maternity leave happening anytime soon. Paying someone not to work for a long period of time and paying for a replacement would be costly. Plus I don't think employers should be required to offer benefits.
? Lots of companies already offer paid maternity leave.
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