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Old 08-15-2014, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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You're getting off topic.
How could any parent let anything stand in the way of the safety of their children?
You have to look at this from the perspective of their religious beliefs. I'm sure they believe that if it is God's will, the girls will be found. They do not trust outsiders.

 
Old 08-15-2014, 04:08 PM
 
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You really need to do more research on laws and religious beliefs. The Old Order Amish do not believe in photographs as they believe that would be violating the graven images statute in the Bible. The Amish also do not go back on their beliefs for any reason. They are given exemptions from military service and paying social security, among other things, as well.

Remember the school shooting at the Amish school a few years back? None of the kids or the teacher physically fought back because of the Amish belief in non-violence. Yes, it cost them their lives, but they are willing to stick to their beliefs even if it means death. For what it's worth, the Amish community, including survivors and parents of killed girls, forgave the shooter right away because of their religious beliefs.

You're going to have a heck of a time convincing most Amish to bend their beliefs for any reason.
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I wanted to amend my previous post by saying that they are not necessarily given military exemptions, but they will not fight, even if it means jail. They are, however, given many other legal exemptions, and many of their beliefs are quite well known by others.
Well, perhaps these Amish are more peaceful than the ones in Ohio who were fighting over spiritual differences. You cannot generalize about any religion.

Ohio Amish families cut hair, beards in feud - SFGate
 
Old 08-15-2014, 04:13 PM
 
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Well, perhaps these Amish are more peaceful than the ones in Ohio who were fighting over spiritual differences. You cannot generalize about any religion.

Ohio Amish families cut hair, beards in feud - SFGate
That particular group is made up of what could only be called Amish Extremists. The vast majority of Amish are thinking about their families and rain and getting the cows milked and serving God. They are not obsessing over Peter Zook's beard.

Look at the article. The words "castoffs" and "disavowed" are aptly applied. They are NOT mainstream Amish.

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Old 08-15-2014, 04:40 PM
 
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It may be a tough call for some people, but I firmly believe that ensuring a minor child's physical safety trumps any parent's 1st Amendment right of religious expression. To me parents who fail to allow blood transfusions, withhold vaccinations, fail to help police locate missing kids, allow them to be around copious amounts of weed (like some Rastas), or otherwise by deeds of commission or omission endanger a kid, are morally bankrupt, ethically inhumane, and should be legally culpable.

Society has no greater duty than to protect its children. None.

End of story.
I pretty much agree with you there. When parents will not take measures to protect the immediate safety of their children -- no matter the reason -- someone needs to step in. We shouldn't turn a blind on a individuals who cannot fend for themselves.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 05:36 PM
 
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Well, perhaps these Amish are more peaceful than the ones in Ohio who were fighting over spiritual differences. You cannot generalize about any religion.

Ohio Amish families cut hair, beards in feud - SFGate
They're not Amish. They're a cult.

Professor said Ohio hair-cutting group a cult, not Amish - LancasterOnline: News
 
Old 08-15-2014, 05:41 PM
 
Location: WI
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It may be a tough call for some people, but I firmly believe that ensuring a minor child's physical safety trumps any parent's 1st Amendment right of religious expression. To me parents who fail to allow blood transfusions, withhold vaccinations, fail to help police locate missing kids, allow them to be around copious amounts of weed (like some Rastas), or otherwise by deeds of commission or omission endanger a kid, are morally bankrupt, ethically inhumane, and should be legally culpable.

Society has no greater duty than to protect its children. None.

End of story.
I agree completely.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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Well, perhaps these Amish are more peaceful than the ones in Ohio who were fighting over spiritual differences. You cannot generalize about any religion.

Ohio Amish families cut hair, beards in feud - SFGate
As I said, most Amish. Non-violence is a huge belief of theirs and why they came to this country in the first place. You can take a couple people out of any group that don't follow the rules or beliefs, but you can still generalize on basic tenets of different religions.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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THIS RIGHT HERE.

Those kids are forced into that religion, they were forced into what could have been much worse, who are their parents to decide FOR them that religion trumps their safety? Like really? They could have been tortured, screaming for help while their parents put religion over their safety.
If you get down to it, pictures wouldn't really have helped in this situation anyway. In these types of communities, people can recognize the two Amish girls of a particular age, wearing particular color dresses, with particular color hair (you can see some of their hair), in a van with a guy they obviously don't belong with. It would be glaringly obvious.

Look, we all know that you think religious people are all imbeciles who just like to follow fairy tales and push things on others. Please get over your own opinion of religious people and be tolerant of others who don't think the same way you do. I also know that you don't like our Constitution, but it's still the law of the land, and we all have religious freedom here.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
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Yep, cult. They are not at all representative of the Amish (no matter what sect of Amish) at large.
 
Old 08-15-2014, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Wherever life takes me.
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I am so not getting into this.
Peace out.
Last thing I need is the ban hammer coming down on me when I have other parts of this site I visit.
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