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Old 10-12-2014, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I have to agree. I went to a private university on a full scholarship. My experience was that the kids whose parents paid their way did not appreciate what they were being given.
How is a full scholarship that you didn't pay for any different from the parents paying for it? Only the payor is different.

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Parents who instilled in their children the motivation and imparted the ability to save for their education did them a huge favor.

Those that did not and then fund that education didn't do much in that area except write a check.

At the start, the child who saved starts out way ahead compared to the free rider.
How are kids supposed to save for college? Most make minimum wage or a little more, and only work a few hours a week.
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Old 10-12-2014, 08:54 PM
 
Location: WI
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Well, it's not up to them. Sorry, but not everyone wants to go to college. Not every can handle/deal with college. I know people who struggled to make it through high school. Books just aren't their thing. Give them something to do with their hands and they're golden.

Like it or not, the world needs plumbers, roofers, garbagemen, cab drivers, snow plow drivers, mechanics, etc. Nothing wrong any of those professions. They are NEEDED jobs. Tell me you don't need my dad when your car breaks down on a Friday afternoon and you're from out of town. He's the guy who will work til 9 pm working on your car to get you home. The dealership won't do that neither will magic fairy dust.

Why people who have these types of professions are so looked down upon by society is beyond me. They are keeping your life going while putting food on their table. Not everyone wants to be a lawyer or doctor. Thankfully, we all have choices and many people choose to work in these types of professions because I assure you that when your septic tank cracks your lawyer son/daughter won't know a damn thing about it, but your son/daughter who is a roofer has the right friends or can do some work on their own.
Of course the world needs tradesmen, and kids who want to go into that field absolutely should. I have great respect for people who do so. But just like kids who want to go into trades should not be told they need to go to college, kids who desire a college education should not be told they should just go into the trades. I see a lot of that here on City-data, and I find it to be extremely poor advice. Like I said, most people I know in the trades agree that it's a very difficult life.
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Old 10-12-2014, 08:55 PM
 
Location: WI
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How is a full scholarship that you didn't pay for any different from the parents paying for it? Only the payor is different.



How are kids supposed to save for college? Most make minimum wage or a little more, and only work a few hours a week.


Right? I always wonder what country or what year these people are living in that they can expect a kid to save up enough for college working at a PT minimum wage job.
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Old 10-12-2014, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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OP, the last time you had sex with someone, did you discuss how to pay for college for the kid, should a pregnancy result? Get out the calculator with the condom?

I could not afford to pay for my daughter to go to college and her stingy father (my ex) refused to. What I offered her was that she could continue to live with me for free and I'd supply her food and shampoo and we could share my car, and I could pay for community college locally. This was in Davis, CA.

She was determined to go to Santa Barbara, where her friends were going. She had some scholarship money, and she went there and got an overnight job in a hotel, and went to school during the day. Obviously she burned out, although she had a good time while there.

She quit school "temporarily" and got a job working for a company as a receptionist, then they needed someone to do data entry in the payroll dept, then the payroll manager offered to send her to a class on getting certified as a payroll clerk, then she went further on her own and got the professional certificate. And the result has been that she has become a specialist in payroll software systems, after becoming a supervising manager, and now makes $112,000/year as a systems analyst for the university system.

She never did get her degree.

But, I think her stubborn independence (and I don't blame her for wanting to move out of Mom's house) made her a great worker, and she was smart enough to stick to her profession for 15 years or so now.

I put myself through college after I was in my 40's. Couldn't do it before that. Got grants, got loans.

Sounds pretty convenient to blame your entire life's failures on your parents not paying for college.
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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I wouldn't be where I'm at without my parents paying for my college. I did manage to grab a couple scholarships that footed the bill for my books but not much else. However, from the 6th grade until my last year of college I spent my summers working 60 hours a week on the family farm. In college I worked part time (19 hours a week) for a diesel mechanic.

Still, my parents put more into my college education than I worked for in my eyes. I do not have kids yet but they are in my future plan, and I plan to teach my kids hard work and will (hopefully) pay for their college.

To the college degree debate part of the thread...

I'm now an IT manager making a decent salary doing something I love! I wouldn't be in my current position without that college degree (it was a requirement for my first job here as well as my current). I worked up to this position after 2 years at this current company (got super lucky). Do I use my management degree everyday? No, I say that maybe it helps me for about 20% of my job.

I believe that college degrees are not for everyone, there are plenty of trades out there that don't require them and that fact makes me happy. However, if you want to land a decent job at a place that offers health insurance, retirement, and and good wage, and that doesn't make you break your back, a degree is almost required.

The best worker that I have hired has a general studies degree. All a degree says to me (unless you're an engineer or doctor) is that you can stick to something and see it through. Sure, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerburg didn't have degrees and they are filthy rich, but these people are far and few in between. I don't have this sort of faith in my future children.
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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Of course the world needs tradesmen, and kids who want to go into that field absolutely should. I have great respect for people who do so. But just like kids who want to go into trades should not be told they need to go to college, kids who desire a college education should not be told they should just go into the trades. I see a lot of that here on City-data, and I find it to be extremely poor advice. Like I said, most people I know in the trades agree that it's a very difficult life.
Life, in general, is difficult. It's life! Who said that everything should be handed to people on silver spoons? No one. I know many tradesman and they don't say it's a difficult life. They can control their lives by going into business for themselves and many have.

People all over struggle. I know many doctors and lawyers who struggled for well over 10 years post graduation because of the hundred thousand dollars plus they are indebted for. Then they have to work 70-80 hours a week or more. What fun!
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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OP, the last time you had sex with someone, did you discuss how to pay for college for the kid, should a pregnancy result? Get out the calculator with the condom?

I could not afford to pay for my daughter to go to college and her stingy father (my ex) refused to. What I offered her was that she could continue to live with me for free and I'd supply her food and shampoo and we could share my car, and I could pay for community college locally. This was in Davis, CA.

She was determined to go to Santa Barbara, where her friends were going. She had some scholarship money, and she went there and got an overnight job in a hotel, and went to school during the day. Obviously she burned out, although she had a good time while there.

She quit school "temporarily" and got a job working for a company as a receptionist, then they needed someone to do data entry in the payroll dept, then the payroll manager offered to send her to a class on getting certified as a payroll clerk, then she went further on her own and got the professional certificate. And the result has been that she has become a specialist in payroll software systems, after becoming a supervising manager, and now makes $112,000/year as a systems analyst for the university system.

She never did get her degree.

But, I think her stubborn independence (and I don't blame her for wanting to move out of Mom's house) made her a great worker, and she was smart enough to stick to her profession for 15 years or so now.

I put myself through college after I was in my 40's. Couldn't do it before that. Got grants, got loans.

Sounds pretty convenient to blame your entire life's failures on your parents not paying for college.
Wow! This is something new....Someone who worked for what they have. Who's to say if she'd gotten her degree that she would be making 6 figures now? Sounds like she isn't a cry baby and actually worked. She even paid her way in life. She has a great deal to be proud of as do you for raising someone who isn't spending the day sitting on Facebook or their phone with a permanent duckface.
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Life, in general, is difficult. It's life! Who said that everything should be handed to people on silver spoons? No one. I know many tradesman and they don't say it's a difficult life. They can control their lives by going into business for themselves and many have.

People all over struggle. I know many doctors and lawyers who struggled for well over 10 years post graduation because of the hundred thousand dollars plus they are indebted for. Then they have to work 70-80 hours a week or more. What fun!
I don't know any doctors who have "struggled". And there is no shortage of applicants for med school!
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Well, it's not up to them. Sorry, but not everyone wants to go to college. Not every can handle/deal with college. I know people who struggled to make it through high school. Books just aren't their thing. Give them something to do with their hands and they're golden.

Like it or not, the world needs plumbers, roofers, garbagemen, cab drivers, snow plow drivers, mechanics, etc. Nothing wrong any of those professions. They are NEEDED jobs. Tell me you don't need my dad when your car breaks down on a Friday afternoon and you're from out of town. He's the guy who will work til 9 pm working on your car to get you home. The dealership won't do that neither will magic fairy dust.

Why people who have these types of professions are so looked down upon by society is beyond me. They are keeping your life going while putting food on their table. Not everyone wants to be a lawyer or doctor. Thankfully, we all have choices and many people choose to work in these types of professions because I assure you that when your septic tank cracks your lawyer son/daughter won't know a damn thing about it, but your son/daughter who is a roofer has the right friends or can do some work on their own.
Bravo!

It takes all types. The disrespect for the trades that I see in some of these posts amazes me. It's sad, actually. And often ill informed.
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Old 10-12-2014, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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I don't know any doctors who have "struggled". And there is no shortage of applicants for med school!
Just because you don't know any doesn't mean there aren't any. A friend of mine owed $212K upon graduating from medical school. She struggled to pay rent and student loans for over 10 years. Her student loan payments were thousands of dollars a month. New doctors don't make a fortune.
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