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You are so right
50 years ago parents did not pay for college crazy huh?
Well, my father's parents did 50 years ago. It was the norm in upper middle class families even then.
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Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948
Grow up son learn a traditional blue collar trade buy a ticket to Dubai or Saudi arabia and make some money
Stop dreaming and scheming and start living
I've seen you post about trades being a far superior option to a college education many times before. Going into the trades is a great option for some, but education and employment and income are very strongly correlated.
When I started college in 1980, minimum wage was $3.10/hr. and was raised to $3.35/hr in 1981. I went to a Texas public university and in-state tuition was never more than $400/semester. A college student could work 15 hours/week and make $400 in about 8 weeks to pay for a semester of school.
Now, minimum wage is $7.25 per hour (roughly doubled) and average tuition at a Texas two-year college is $1,111 per semester and at a 4-year college, $4,261. A college student working 15/hours per week would now have to work about 39 weeks to pay for a semester (of approximately 13 weeks) at a 4-year university .
That's not even talking about living expenses, but I know that rents have more than doubled since the early 80's.
I understand the value that comes from working hard for something and believe that children should work and pay for some of their education. But wages have NOT kept up with the cost of education. To the extent I can help my daughter go to college and not come out many thousands of dollars in debt, I'm going to.
I don't agree with the OP's premise that you shouldn't have kids unless you can pay for all of their college expenses, but it's IMO it's not fair to say "I did it so they can do it" when the financial reality has changed so much.
Congratulations. Your life has been sprinkled with magic dust. That happens when the stars align and Jupiter is in retrograde.... or something. A lot of people are born outside the magic dust circle. Yes. They exist. There are millions of them and how you've graduated from college without knowing any is a mystery to me but whatever.... you aren't the first 20-something who is stepping into life sprinkled with magic dust who thinks she/he knows all the answers and you won't be the last.
Here's what's important: What you DO with that life.
no. i studied the right thing, kept up a decent GPA, and did whatever I could to get real world experience. I made sure to impress my interviewer (I was told I was one of the few who actually prepared for the interview, you know research the company, research a bit into your interviewers, write thank you notes, etc). I put in more hours at my internship than anyone else working with me.
You know, instead of getting pregnant like the 20 (19?) year old screw up at the bottom of the thread page, I actually put my efforts into more productive things. It's insulting to say my life is charmed because I'm lucky. Yes, I managed to live a pretty charmed life, but it's not all luck.
Sure, I've gotten lucky, but that's only a part of it.
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Oh yeah and thanks a lot according to your philosophy OP, I shouldn't have been allowed to be born. My parents did nothing for me monetarily and worse. But I educated myself after working a year in a dead end job. Had a great career and family.
I think I have every right to have been born, poor or not thank you very much.
I hope by now you have changed your attitude a bit.
Really? Do you have any clue how much college costs are related to average salaries these days? If everyone had your opinion, not many babies would be born.
I don't view that as a terrible thing. That's exactly what I'm advocating. Why are middle class or lower middle class people having more than one child? We aren't an agrarian society anymore. You don't need to reproduce to get more cheap labor. Children are expensive now a days. You're suppose to care for your kids, not screw them over because you wanted something cute.
also, people need to chill with the "be fruitful and multiply" verse. The bible is against premarital sex. Where's the outrage against that? No where, instead I see anti abortion or anti gay rights parades.
I don't view that as a terrible thing. That's exactly what I'm advocating. Why are middle class or lower middle class people having more than one child? We aren't an agrarian society anymore. You don't need to reproduce to get more cheap labor. Children are expensive now a days. You're suppose to care for your kids, not screw them over because you wanted something cute.
also, people need to chill with the "be fruitful and multiply" verse. The bible is against premarital sex. Where's the outrage against that? No where, instead I see anti abortion or anti gay rights parades.
Grow up. Life isn't black and white.
And you're getting way off topic in your last "paragraph."
yes, but I hear that line anytime I bring up the idea that maybe people shouldn't be having a plethora of kids that they can't afford. It really irks me that people decide which biblical verses matters and which don't.
The law that says someone who hits 18 is an adult is just legally. If you child needs help and you're willing and able to do so without any consequences, then why not? You've been clothing, feeding, and sheltering them all this time up to 18.
I don't view that as a terrible thing. That's exactly what I'm advocating. Why are middle class or lower middle class people having more than one child? We aren't an agrarian society anymore. You don't need to reproduce to get more cheap labor. Children are expensive now a days. You're suppose to care for your kids, not screw them over because you wanted something cute.
also, people need to chill with the "be fruitful and multiply" verse. The bible is against premarital sex. Where's the outrage against that? No where, instead I see anti abortion or anti gay rights parades.
Just be quiet. Please.
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