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Sheesh, if you don't like someone's semi-reasonable opinion, nobody is forcing you to read and respond.
I guess I'd consider winning or losing if it was an actual debate. The amount of keystrokes I wanted to expend was exactly that. In addition, I can post whatever I want, however I want. If you found my response unbecoming, no one is forcing you to read and respond either.
I moved out at 17 and paid for my own college tuition. In San Francisco. Graduated last year.
It was brutal, and my grades suffered a bit. I was also so strongly in survival mode that I forced myself to major in Accounting because it seemed safe, despite the fact that I absolutely hated it and didn't get grades high enough to qualify working for a Big 4 firm. Added a major in Economics to give myself a chance at something I enjoyed.
Being a double major while working 2 jobs totalling 60 hours combined just to pay rent with my 4 roommates in a tiny studio....wasn't great for my health. I slept maybe 3-4 hours a night for 4 years. Blacked out from exhaustion a few times. Thought I was having a heart attack once because I drank 3 Monster drinks just to stay awake and that wasn't a good idea lol.
After graduating, I gravitated to an entirely different field, and basically had to start from scratch like I didn't even have a degree at all. Lol.
That said, all of this was so worth getting away from my parents and actually being independent.
yes, but I hear that line anytime I bring up the idea that maybe people shouldn't be having a plethora of kids that they can't afford. It really irks me that people decide which biblical verses matters and which don't.
Just like you do?
I have news for you, no matter how much "real world" experience you think you might have because you "prepared" for an interview, you have less than squat real world experience.
I guess if you believe that you have "it" then I guess it must be true, hopefully nothing tragic happens to mom and dad and you find out how drastically life turns in less than a moment.
What are you going to do when there are 1/2 million dollars worth of medical bills and your bank of mom and dad closes because they have to get that paid instead of losing their home and your college money is gone in a matter of minutes?
Will you think that they should not have had a child because they are reckless idiots who did not plan well and can't afford to coddle you anymore?
I moved out at 17 and paid for my own college tuition. In San Francisco. Graduated last year.
It was brutal, and my grades suffered a bit. I was also so strongly in survival mode that I forced myself to major in Accounting because it seemed safe, despite the fact that I absolutely hated it and didn't get grades high enough to qualify working for a Big 4 firm. Added a major in Economics to give myself a chance at something I enjoyed.
Being a double major while working 2 jobs totalling 60 hours combined just to pay rent with my 4 roommates in a tiny studio....wasn't great for my health. I slept maybe 3-4 hours a night for 4 years. Blacked out from exhaustion a few times. Thought I was having a heart attack once because I drank 3 Monster drinks just to stay awake and that wasn't a good idea lol.
After graduating, I gravitated to an entirely different field, and basically had to start from scratch like I didn't even have a degree at all. Lol.
That said, all of this was so worth getting away from my parents and actually being independent.
We need ore young people like you. Well done! I bet you learned a LOT along the way.....lessons far more valuable than you ever would have learned living at home under the protection of your parents.
So is saying people who can't afford to pay for college shouldn't have children.
It's not really naive to say that, just self righteousness. But to be completely fair it is the ideal isn't it? That children are launched with an education that gives them the best chance to succeed? We can get all aghast at the OP if we want to, but it is no more a ridiculous notion than saying "parents should be married first" or "over 25" or any of the other ideals people have stated should happen if people choose to have children. But ideals are not reality and doesn't always work out that way.
We need ore young people like you. Well done! I bet you learned a LOT along the way.....lessons far more valuable than you ever would have learned living at home under the protection of your parents.
More people like you? I agree that what that person went through was admirable that he/she survived, but it sound as if you think this is an acceptable way for hardworking, students with ability to attend college. It is not. No one should have to go through sacrificing their health, wellbeing, etc. to get an education.
And what exactly did this person learn from this experience that they wouldn't have learned working part time and spending those other 40 hours on their education?
This is the problem with this topic it comes down to insane extremes, like this person working dangerously long hours and others portraying all college students as drunken party animals if they get any assistance at all.
I moved out at 17 and paid for my own college tuition. In San Francisco. Graduated last year.
It was brutal, and my grades suffered a bit. I was also so strongly in survival mode that I forced myself to major in Accounting because it seemed safe, despite the fact that I absolutely hated it and didn't get grades high enough to qualify working for a Big 4 firm. Added a major in Economics to give myself a chance at something I enjoyed.
Being a double major while working 2 jobs totalling 60 hours combined just to pay rent with my 4 roommates in a tiny studio....wasn't great for my health. I slept maybe 3-4 hours a night for 4 years. Blacked out from exhaustion a few times. Thought I was having a heart attack once because I drank 3 Monster drinks just to stay awake and that wasn't a good idea lol.
After graduating, I gravitated to an entirely different field, and basically had to start from scratch like I didn't even have a degree at all. Lol.
That said, all of this was so worth getting away from my parents and actually being independent.
I am sorry that you had to do all of that. College should be affordable for everyone. That being said it is beyond admirable that you did all of that and survived to tell the tale so to speak.
I wonder though if that is something you plan for your own children to go through as well when they are of college age?
I don't view that as a terrible thing. That's exactly what I'm advocating. Why are middle class or lower middle class people having more than one child? We aren't an agrarian society anymore. You don't need to reproduce to get more cheap labor. Children are expensive now a days. You're suppose to care for your kids, not screw them over because you wanted something cute.
also, people need to chill with the "be fruitful and multiply" verse. The bible is against premarital sex. Where's the outrage against that? No where, instead I see anti abortion or anti gay rights parades.
It is certainly not a bad idea to have children only if you can afford them but as this thread illustrates, afford is a relative term. Also, what your advocating, is birth control on an individual scale of those who are socially minded and leads to an almost "tragedy of the commons" sort of scenario, where we are almost breeding that trait out of our society.
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