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So why should suits on the beach be required at all? I mean if people should worry about themselves what would be the issue?
Because as a society we have decided that public display of the genitals is frowned upon.
Likewise, as a society, we are beginning to dispose of archaic patriarchal baggage that are unfair. Like making young women solely responsible for the behavior of young men.
This is such horsesh*t and perpetuates the "boys will be boys" attitude that puts the responsibility for the boys' actions on the girls. It's such a cop-out that boys can't control themselves. And btw, girls can't be promiscuous unless there's someone to be promiscuous with.
And what, pray tell, is the media's war on men?
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The new thing is that if a group that historically has abused its power for hundreds/thousands of years is no longer automatically deferred to or catered to, they are now considered "persecuted."
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Sexual behavior is not something that men should seek and women should protect. Sexual behavior is something that two willing participants may choose as long as both of them choose it. Sexual behavior does not show disrespect for oneself or for others. People engage in respectful sexual behavior all the time.
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This is an incredibly dangerous statement. It perpetuates the idea that sexual behavior by women is completely different than sexual behavior by men. If you want young women to have healthy sexual relationships as adults you cannot raise them to see sexual behavior as something that is wrong, dirty or a treat to be doled out in small increments to those who please them the most. Sexual behavior should be a choice that people make together not a treat to be doled out to those who are most deserving.
+1.
Sounds like the OP and others who hold to anachronistic "values" should just avoid the beach if seeing teenage girls in bikinis "making out with boys" offends his puritanical sensibilities.
Good thing there are others who couldn't give two ****s about other people's antiquated mumbo-jumbo.
ikb, don't forget the OP stated the girls were making out and being very provocative in their behavior. Of course bathing suits are okay at the beach. Letting guys put their hands all over you at 14yrs old is not okay...at the beach... Honestly, I really don't think a whole lot of touchy feely is appropriate in public no matter who you are.
*sigh* We were talking about the girls. I believe boys should be respectful HOWEVER, boy brains are so different. Girls have the power over them in these situations. I'm a "girl" and I raised two boys (who are now men).
Parents of boys have more to worry about these days because of how promiscuous girls are. Society has shifted, thanks to the media's war on men.
I disagree with this. I think women should value their bodies and not expose it for public consumption. Today's feminist approach with equality is lowering their self-worthiness. Parity between male and female doesn't have to be direct.
Females should respect their bodies so they don't get exploited.
You are very incorrect if you think the two are mutually exclusive.
It just takes a longer time for biological evolution to catch up with societal evolution.
My great -grandmother was married at 14 but girls then were raised in preparation for that.
At 14 a girl knew how to keep a home & raise children. Tyoically the girls were married to older men but a teenage boy knew how to hunt, farm, protect & provide for women & children.
Just because 100 years ago or so we decided to change the rules does not mean biology changes that fast.
ikb, don't forget the OP stated the girls were making out and being very provocative in their behavior. Of course bathing suits are okay at the beach. Letting guys put their hands all over you at 14yrs old is not okay...at the beach... Honestly, I really don't think a whole lot of touchy feely is appropriate in public no matter who you are.
*sigh* We were talking about the girls. I believe boys should be respectful HOWEVER, boy brains are so different. Girls have the power over them in these situations. I'm a "girl" and I raised two boys (who are now men). Parents of boys have more to worry about these days because of how promiscuous girls are. Society has shifted, thanks to the media's war on men.
No. No no no. Attitudes like "but but boys brains are different" are part of the problem. If a boy and girl are making out and touching each other in public, that's on both of them. They're both making a decision to do that with one another and one is not more to blame than the other. This attitude is along the same lines as "women should cover up so they don't get raped because men can't control themselves when they see cleavage (or whatever)." You literally said their brains are different somehow therefore women should alter or watch their behavior FOR the guys. No no. Men are able to control themselves, just like women, it's a matter of whether or not they are willing to. I know plenty of men who can control themselves and do.
I disagree with this. I think women should value their bodies and not expose it for public consumption. Today's feminist approach with equality is lowering their self-worthiness. Parity between male and female doesn't have to be direct.
Females should respect their bodies so they don't get exploited.
Moms used to not allow skimpy bathing suits on 14-year-olds. Who is paying for those suits? Unless the girls have jobs at that age, the parents are buying those. Not that more modest suits would make a difference, really. There also used to be moms who wouldn't allow 14-year-old girls hang out with or date 17-year-old boys. Oh well. Times change.
It just takes a longer time for biological evolution to catch up with societal evolution.
My great -grandmother was married at 14 but girls then were raised in preparation for that.
At 14 a girl knew how to keep a home & raise children. Tyoically the girls were married to older men but a teenage boy knew how to hunt, farm, protect & provide for women & children.
Just because 100 years ago or so we decided to change the rules does not mean biology changes that fast.
In your great-grandmother's day, many 14-year-olds hadn't entered puberty yet. How did marriage in those cases work?
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