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Old 08-27-2017, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Toronto canada
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Have you considered an exorcism? Hand cuffing them to their beds or a radiator?
Lol!! I would if I could !

 
Old 08-27-2017, 12:47 PM
 
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Why do you have a home visiting worker coming to your house?
 
Old 08-27-2017, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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I have seen pediatricians, family doctors, behavioral specialists, general therapists, child psychologists even home visiting workers.
So you didn't show any of them the "hidden camera" footage, or photos of the damage??

Why did you have a home visit? What EXACTLY did the "behavioral specialists" and "home visiting workers" tell you about your kids?
 
Old 08-27-2017, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Toronto canada
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The home visiting workers come to observe them in normal environments. They come under the guise of being my "friend" so the kids don't have a chance to lie or cheat the tests.

I have brought pictures, video and lists and was brushed off... everyone has told me that they are normal kids for their age and are just testing boundaries which is normal behaviour. It will pass as they learn limits. I have been written off as a overzealous burnt out parent and been given a long list of things to try including leaving stuff they can take, locks, reward charts, a million different time out methods... none work. They are completely different people during the day than the night

They also are proud of what they do... they openly admit it and give me an itemized list when questioned... as for reason? "Because I did"
 
Old 08-27-2017, 01:19 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I already have locked everything up but they still can break in. A lock, chain, catch, or anything is little more than something to slow them down for a min or two. Locking them in their room doesn't work either as I already have a chain, knob lock on their door... they figured out how to remove the chain and pulled the door and broke the door frame to open the door. The hardest part is without the obvious evidence (food in the garbage, broken doors, locks) noone believes me. They are perfect children during the day. Like seriously I'm so proud of how mature they act during the day. They are smart and can manipulate anyone into believing anything they want though... at night it is like they become possessed or something and all hell breaks loose
This is definitely not normal behavior. Is there any chance the 4-yr-old could have signs of hyperactivity? I've seen this business of breaking into locked rooms, breaking down barriers, in hyperactive kids, who seem to enjoy defying any attempts to limit or control activity. Just a thought.

So, you told therapists, child psychologists, etc. what they were doing, and everyone insisted they were normal kids? Did you ask them how such behavior possibly could be normal? These professionals should be answerable for denying that there's a problem. If educated and experienced therapists are bamboozled by small children, that doesn't speak well of the therapists, needless to say.

Are they both receiving plenty of affection--hugs, a special tuck-in ritual at night, reading or playing games when you're home, etc.? Maybe having the 4-year-old see some specialists alone, without the other child, might work better?

OP, this sounds like a job for Supernanny. Do they still have that TV show? One of her m.o.'s was to have the kids sit in a "naughty chair" in the corner, but your kids sound like they'd have to be strapped into the chairs, and even then, Houdini-like, they might find a way to get out.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 01:21 PM
 
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Locking them in their room doesn't work either as I already have a chain, knob lock on their door... they figured out how to remove the chain and pulled the door and broke the door frame to open the door.
Your 4 year old daughter is able to break the door frame?
 
Old 08-27-2017, 01:31 PM
 
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Welcome back.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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As for making them clean it up, I already do that... but it isn't much of a punishment since they love to clean, sweep, help with dishes.

Reward charts failed epically as they thought it a joke.

Sorry for seeming to shoot down every idea... like I said in op I have tried everything I could think of over the past year... I am completely out of ideas
Well punishment is not supposed to be fun, you need to find a chore or something they do not like & make them do it. It sounds as if they are in charge, not you. Which is a problem.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Avignon, France
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Um... You sent the wrong ones to therapy.
 
Old 08-27-2017, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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If it is only at night, I would put noise generating devices on the door(s) to the kitchen where your kids seem to go. A small klaxon you turn off until night time when you retire to bed, triggered by a magnetic door switch up high on the door where they cannot reach it. I bet the noise bothers them, and they will know you will be along shortly, and not just snoring through their activity. They may be clever, but they cannot pass through walls.

If that doesnt work, make them velcro pajamas and put a velcro patch on their floor. That way you actually "stick" them to bed each night, and you know they are not up and getting into shenanigans. (just kidding!)
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