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Old 01-22-2009, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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Sounds like me - my oldest was easy-peasy - my second not so much! Of course all parents understand that kids have meltdowns occasionally. There is a difference however between meltdowns and bad manners and there is a difference when you can see the parents trying to handle it (one parent taking the child out of the situation until they calm down etc) and totally ignoring it with the attitude "oh they're just kids, what do you expect. They can't be expected to have good manners yet". Um, you're right - especially if no one ever teaches them!

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Old 01-22-2009, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Orange County, California
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Sounds like me - my oldest was easy-peasy - my second not so much! Of course all parents understand that kids have meltdowns occasionally. There is a difference however between meltdowns and bad manners and there is a difference when you can see the parents trying to handle it (one parent taking the child out of the situation until they calm down etc) and totally ignoring it with the attitude "oh they're just kids, what do you expect. They can't be expected to have good manners yet". Um, you're right - especially if no one ever teaches them!
Well said.

I think most people understand this. Generally, people who have a problem with this are rude are unhappy people in most other aspects of their lives (complain to wait staff, experience road rage, are impatient in lines, etc).
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Old 01-22-2009, 03:53 PM
 
Location: The REAL WORLD.
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Do you give the parents the "hairy eyeball" ?

Ask to be moved to another table?

Complain to mangement?

or

Just think kids will be kids and thank goodness it's not yours, lol
I'd get up and walk out.
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Old 01-22-2009, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Well, if you're with my friend, who watches kids all day, in a restaurant, she will loudly protest about how she wants to sit somewhere else. She'll say something like,"Too bad you can't have a quiet dinner without someone's kids screeching in your ear".
While I'm a little embarrassed by her behavior, I'm secretly glad because I would have just grinned and borne it.
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Old 01-22-2009, 03:56 PM
 
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I figure it's just part of the human experience. At some point, you are just going to have to tolerate children, old people, pets, and jerks. Of those, the jerks are the worst. Besides, when I was a baby, others tolerated me. When I'm old, I hope people tolerate me.
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Old 01-22-2009, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Orange County, California
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Well, if you're with my friend, who watches kids all day, in a restaurant, she will loudly protest about how she wants to sit somewhere else. She'll say something like,"Too bad you can't have a quiet dinner without someone's kids screeching in your ear".
While I'm a little embarrassed by her behavior, I'm secretly glad because I would have just grinned and borne it.
What a bit*h! Sorry, but I would tell my friend to be quiet or something. Let me ask you, does she protest about other things as well, not just loud kids?
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Old 01-22-2009, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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I figure it's just part of the human experience. At some point, you are just going to have to tolerate children, old people, pets, and jerks. Of those, the jerks are the worst. Besides, when I was a baby, others tolerated me. When I'm old, I hope people tolerate me.
There is a difference between tolerating children and tolerating what I'll call "jerks in training"....I'm very tolerant of well behaved children who are being parented. I'm not particularly happy to be around children who are not being taught to behave properly and respectfully toward others. Those are children who are basically learning that the world should and does revolve around them and their desires. They grow up to be jerks.

I hope when I'm old people will not simply "tolerate" me but rather enjoy my company. These lessons from childhood make you a more pleasant person to be around and should carry on throughout your life.

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Old 01-22-2009, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Orange County, California
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There is a difference between tolerating children and tolerating what I'll call "jerks in training"....I'm very tolerant of well behaved children who are being parented. I'm not particularly happy to be around children who are not being taught to behave properly and respectfully toward others. Those are children who are basically learning that the world should and does revolve around them and their desires. They grow up to be jerks.

I hope when I'm old people will not simply "tolerate" me but rather enjoy my company. These lessons from childhood make you a more pleasant person to be around and should carry on throughout your life.
I agree that "jerks in training" are annoying. But I would never say anything in public. I figure it's part of being in a community.

After all, if it's peace and quiet we want, we can stay home.
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Old 01-22-2009, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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I certainly wouldn't stand in a restaurant and scream like some other PP's - that falls under "two wrongs don't make a right" (another childhood lesson). If I am paying money to a restaurant however, I expect to be able to consume it while engaging in conversation with my companion without being distracted and disrupted by someone's badly behaved children. I am not expecting "peace and quiet" necessarily (depends on the restaurant I guess) but rather just basic respect - that is lesson one in "being part of a community"....OTOH, if I am at McDonalds and choose to consume my lunch in the playground section I would have no right to be unhappy or complain about the noise - I would be respectful to the other people there. It goes both ways. There is a time and place for certain behaviors.
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Old 01-22-2009, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Orange County, California
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I certainly wouldn't stand in a restaurant and scream like some other PP's - that falls under "two wrongs don't make a right" (another childhood lesson). If I am paying money to a restaurant however, I expect to be able to consume it while engaging in conversation with my companion without being distracted and disrupted by someone's badly behaved children. I am not expecting "peace and quiet" necessarily (depends on the restaurant I guess) but rather just basic respect - that is lesson one in "being part of a community"....OTOH, if I am at McDonalds and choose to consume my lunch in the playground section I would have no right to be unhappy or complain about the noise - I would be respectful to the other people there. It goes both ways. There is a time and place for certain behaviors.
Very true.
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