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Old 01-09-2018, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Manchester, MO—>East Cobb, GA 30062
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I think the prevalence depends on where you live. The West Coast and parts of the South have much lower rates than the Midwest and Northeast.

My husband and son are circumcised. I think it’s more hygienic and looks better, but people bathe daily and I suppose we shouldn’t build a culture just people I think one way. I think it’s still quite prevalent, and I’m not sure why it’s cruel.

And in pop culture when people will say they’re not going to have sex with someone because they’re uncircumcised or the tease someone for being circumcised etc. realize it is just pop culture.
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Old 01-09-2018, 04:18 PM
 
Location: STL area
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It’s not important. We did not do it (x3) and zero regrets. My husband does not come from a circing culture. Only the US. Necessary circ rate around the world is about 1%. Definitely not worth putting my innocent little newborns through pain to me.
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Old 01-09-2018, 04:39 PM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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I wanted to add that my OB GYN would not perform the circumcision, he was firmly against it. So another doctor performed it. When you are in the hospital you have a say in what you want done.
I am glad your OB-GYN took a firm stand against this barbaric practice. I wish you had followed his advice and allowed your son to choose for himself as an adult what he wanted done or not done to his beautiful body.

The foreskin is an exquisitely sensitive piece of skin that enhances pleasure for the man and for his partner.

I am infinitely grateful that my husband has an intact foreskin.
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Old 01-09-2018, 05:05 PM
 
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I'd have it done for disease and cleanliness sake. Also, when I was not married I prefered it from a woman's pleasure point of view. I have been present when it was performed on male infants. They cry out but soon can be soothed. Worth it, in my opinion. I'm glad my husband has been snipped.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:06 PM
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Location: Denver CO
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I had my son circumcised because we are Jewish and I felt it was important. I will also say that as a woman, my personal aesthetic preference is for cut men. And yes, there are some medical arguments to be made, about disease transmission - although I'm not sure there is really quite enough data to say it's a compelling argument in a first world country with different sexual and hygiene practices than where the data as obtained.

But even saying all of this, I don't think you should get your son circumcised. I am not sure of the numbers anymore, but even if it's not the majority, there will be plenty of other boys and men that are not circumcised. He won't stand out. And he will look like you, which is a good thing.

It would be different if you had a personal reason why you felt it was the right decision - and you wouldn't have bothered to ask if that were the case. But thinking that you *have* to do it so he'll fit it really isn't a particularly important reason.

One thing I will add, whichever way you do end up deciding, the vast majority of men are happy with their penis. Your son will be fine either way.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:16 PM
 
Location: The analog world
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I had my son circumcised because we are Jewish and I felt it was important. I will also say that as a woman, my personal aesthetic preference is for cut men. And yes, there are some medical arguments to be made, about disease transmission - although I'm not sure there is really quite enough data to say it's a compelling argument in a first world country with different sexual and hygiene practices than where the data as obtained.

But even saying all of this, I don't think you should get your son circumcised. I am not sure of the numbers anymore, but even if it's not the majority, there will be plenty of other boys and men that are not circumcised. He won't stand out. And he will look like you, which is a good thing.

It would be different if you had a personal reason why you felt it was the right decision - and you wouldn't have bothered to ask if that were the case. But thinking that you *have* to do it so he'll fit it really isn't a particularly important reason.

One thing I will add, whichever way you do end up deciding, the vast majority of men are happy with their penis. Your son will be fine either way.
Agreed.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:06 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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Don't snip.

Women that prefer men 'cut' men don't really appreciate what a natural penis looks like....kinda like a guy that prefers fake boobs over real ones because the only porn they watch has women with implants.

Speaking with my wife and past conversations with other women I've dated, the nerve endings you lose getting circumcised are important. Even if you've been cut your whole life, you tend to....."jackhammer" in the bedroom and likely have a stronger preference for receiving oral sex because you're less sensitive down there. The foreskin allows you to experience a lot of pleasure even with gentle movements.

Even the studies about STD transmission are flawed:


So how do you go about conducting a randomized, controlled intervention trial looking at HIV infection in circumcised adult men? Probably not the way that these researchers did.

First, to be included in the study, men had to be HIV-negative and uncircumcised. The men also had to consent to “avoid sexual contact (except with condom protection) during the 6 weeks following the medicalized circumcision.”

The experimental group which underwent the circumcisions was given the following instructions:
“When you are circumcised you will be asked to have no sexual contact in the 6 weeks after surgery. To have sexual contact before your skin of your penis is completely healed, could lead to infection if your partner is infected with a sexually transmitted disease... If you desire to have sexual contact in the 6 weeks after surgery, despite our recommendation, it is absolutely essential that you use a condom.”
So the males in the study that underwent circumcision were not only told to abstain from sex for a significant time period after the operation — reducing their exposure time by six weeks compared to the uncircumcised (control) group — but told to use condoms, taught how to use them, and educated about their benefits. During this six week period, the men in the uncircumcised group did not have the same restrictions.
There also doesn’t seem to be any mention of the researchers calling up the circumcised men after six weeks to say, “Okay, time’s up. Ease up on the condom use from here on.” The possibility that many of these men might have become accustomed to using condoms, armed with knowledge about their benefits, didn’t seem to be much of a concern.

Also, other routes of HIV transmission like blood transfusion, IV needle sharing, or a dentist with dirty instruments (not unimaginable in Africa) don’t seem to have been taken into account. Individual variables like hygiene were also poorly controlled for.

Casting further doubt on the theory that circumcision prevents HIV transmission is a simple look at the prevalence of circumcision and the prevalence of HIV/AIDS in different parts of the world.

As a continent, Africa has the highest percentage of circumcised men, over 60%. Africa also has — as most people know — the highest prevalence of HIV/AIDS, with South Africa housing the world’s largest HIV-infected population. In countries like Nigeria and Kenya, (the latter being one of the countries where the study was conducted) over 80% of males are circumcised, yet they contain the second and fourth largest HIV-infected populations in the world respectively.

Among industrialized nations, the highest prevalence of HIV/AIDS is in the United States, which has the 10th largest HIV-positive population in the world. And yes, the USA also ranks number one among all industrialized nations in its number and percentage of circumcised men: 56% as of 2003, compared to countries in Europe, where circumcision is markedly less common — as is the prevalence of HIV/AIDS.

Finally, let’s address a question that seems to have been largely overlooked: what about the women?

Well, last month, The Lancet — which refused to publish the male circumcision trials due to certain ethical concerns — published a study led by Dr. Maria Wawer at the Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, concluding that circumcising men did not reduce HIV transmission to their female partners.

Actually, it’s quite possible that circumcised men are more likely to give their female partners HIV/AIDS than uncircumcised men. Dr. Wawer found that 18% of the women in her study contracted HIV/AIDS from circumcised men, compared to 12% of women who contracted it from uncircumcised men.

The result was not statistically significant, but the Findings section states, “The trial was stopped early because of futility.” Futility? The study may not have been “futile” if, with a larger sample size and properly completed, it had showed that circumcised men were more likely to transmit HIV/AIDS to their female partners, would it? An unanticipated result is still a result, specially if there is pre-existing data supporting it, like this Johns Hopkins study suggesting that women are indeed more likely to get HIV/AIDS from a circumcised male partner.

In an interview with VoA, Dr. Wawer appeared to have had a preference regarding her results. “Yes, of course we are disappointed,” she said. “But the data are what the data are.”
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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I did not have my son circumcised and he is 33. He's never had a problem with it.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Would getting him circumcised be very important in order for him to be able to fit into mainstream middle-class American culture? .
No. I'm American, we're pretty mainstream, our boy not circumcised. Nobody has ever made an issue of it.
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Old 01-09-2018, 07:23 PM
 
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That is regarding "voluntary male circumcision" which is a medical procedure that happens between the ages of 10-29. It is also only proven effective in areas with low condom usage and high epidemic rates of HIV aka not the US.

Also, it is recommended only with the "patient's informed consent". This is very different that having an infant circumcised.
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