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Old 08-07-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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Times have changed, so what may have been acceptable then might not be now.

Natalie Hollaway was a legal adult, and we see how that turned out.
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:52 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Most mature adults share their itenary or changes. It's what we do when we have each other's backs.
I'm glad your parent had concerns of your whereabouts.
Beats the neglectful adults who assume a teen is immune from making care'less' decisions.

I recall leaving a note for my parents on a day where I was taking golf lessons. At 7pm I arrive home to , two anger filled parents. I was miffed....and grounded!! They said no note was on the counter. A few days of harsh words festered . Finally my step mom was going thru the mail and there was the note! No apology to me ...they just said...next time put it on the fridge.
This!

I think your step mom and/or dad should have apologized.
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Old 08-07-2018, 12:55 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Based on your prior posts, I'd say they were not worried nearly enough!

jk, of course
Actually my IQ is 79, borderline moron level.
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Old 08-07-2018, 04:26 PM
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Location: Texas
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Real "helicoptering" is about trying to parent kids who are over 18.

It's normal for parents to helicopter kids under 18.
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Old 08-07-2018, 04:32 PM
 
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I think any responsible parent should know the whereabouts of their 14 or 15 yr old once they are out of familiar territory.

I agree. That said, when we were in Spain we allowed our kids to take a trip to a supermarket down the street from our hotel to buys some snacks when they were 16, 14, 11 years old. The older boys spoke pretty good Spanish and they had phones with them. They returned in a reasonable amount of time.


I would have been highly irritated if they had taken a detour without asking/letting us know.
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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As much as 14-16 year olds think they are grown, they simply are not.
They could be, and should be...if they were raised properly. I began working 'adult' jobs when I was 11, I left home, lived on my own and supported myself when I was 15. At 17 I was toting an M-16 for Uncle Sam.

The young are mollycoddled far too much these days. This severely inhibits their ability to be responsible adults and cope with life in the Real World, for some this disability becomes permanent.
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:05 PM
 
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They could be, and should be...if they were raised properly. I began working 'adult' jobs when I was 11, I left home, lived on my own and supported myself when I was 15. At 17 I was toting an M-16 for Uncle Sam.

The young are mollycoddled far too much these days. This severely inhibits their ability to be responsible adults and cope with life in the Real World, for some this disability becomes permanent.
And how do you account for nefarious people that well-raised young teens might cross paths with? We can't control the world, the best we can do is watch out for our own.

If you were toting for Uncle Sam at 17, then either your parents gave permission, or you lied about your age.
I find either scenario sad, because you weren't given the chance to enjoy your youth. Fortunately, boys can also become men through other avenues.
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:22 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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They could be, and should be...if they were raised properly. I began working 'adult' jobs when I was 11, I left home, lived on my own and supported myself when I was 15. At 17 I was toting an M-16 for Uncle Sam.

The young are mollycoddled far too much these days. This severely inhibits their ability to be responsible adults and cope with life in the Real World, for some this disability becomes permanent.
And how do you account for nefarious people that well-raised young teens might cross paths with? We can't control the world, the best we can do is watch out for our own.

If you were toting for Uncle Sam at 17, then either your parents gave permission, or you lied about your age.
I find either scenario sad, because you weren't given the chance to enjoy your youth. Fortunately, boys can also become men through other avenues.
I'm with Zymer on this. I was born in 1957. When I was 10 I was riding my bicycle to pick-up baseball games about 1.5 miles from my house. No one was driven by Mommy. In 1972 I had to fight for the privilege of biking myself to evening events at the YMHA and the high school - but I wound up winning those fights. At those ages, I was not someone's pet dog on a leash.
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Old 08-07-2018, 08:51 PM
 
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I'm with Zymer on this. I was born in 1957. When I was 10 I was riding my bicycle to pick-up baseball games about 1.5 miles from my house. No one was driven by Mommy. In 1972 I had to fight for the privilege of biking myself to evening events at the YMHA and the high school - but I wound up winning those fights. At those ages, I was not someone's pet dog on a leash.
I don't see your point. 1972 was 46 years ago. Do you really think the world hasn't changed since then?

In 1957 most families owned one car. So yes, if Dad took it to work, Mom wasn't driving the kids anywhere. When I wanted to play softball, I also had to ride my bike to the field, and it was closer to 3 miles than 1.5. It was the norm, nothing extraordinary at all. And, it was local territory, not foreign.

Pet dog on a leash? Really?
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Old 08-07-2018, 09:01 PM
 
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I don't see your point. 1972 was 46 years ago. Do you really think the world hasn't changed since then?

In 1957 most families owned one car. So yes, if Dad took it to work, Mom wasn't driving the kids anywhere. When I wanted to play softball, I also had to ride my bike to the field, and it was closer to 3 miles than 1.5. It was the norm, nothing extraordinary at all. And, it was local territory, not foreign.

Pet dog on a leash? Really?
Thatís not the point. I did not want to be driven to games or activities by Mommy, Though she was quite willing to do so. When we were a one car family, she drove my father to the train station and picked him up in the evening.

I donít think much has changed since 1972 in terms of crime. Crime rates are actually sharply lower than they were then. I think we are bringing of infants, not budding adults. In terms of the story that I discussed about the Bahamas in 1973, the point of that was that I did not try to go to the zoo for turtle soup since I could figure out that the schedules did not work and that it would not be a safe trip.
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