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Old 11-20-2018, 07:27 PM
 
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pkbab, you are SO right! Parents seem to expect that the school will do everything, and that they don't need to teach their children. Some kids, that's true. But there are many, even very bright ones, who need this kind of help at home every day. And with many of them, you have to pull every trick out of the bag to get them to learn. They love trucks? You do "truck math" - if there are 4 tow trucks in the parking lot, and six more drive up, how many tow trucks are in the parking lot? They love dogs and puppies? If there are three mama dogs, and each one has 3 puppies, how many puppies are there? You shop together, cook together, do chores together, and put reading and math into everything you do. It's part of being a good parent.

I used to make rhyming lists for the kids to learn to read, starting with very simple three letter lists, like CAT, BAT, SAT, HAT, PAT......etc. Once we'd exhausted that, we went on to very simple Dr. Seuss books, like Go Dog Go, or Ten Apples Up on Top. After that, the simplest easy readers, on topics they liked. After that, Magic Tree House. And so on, until reading was easy enough for them that they'd be able to push through the work of reading to find out what happens in the story.

And yes, if they have access to screen time and video games, they're not going to want to learn to read, because screen time entertainment is so much more easily entertaining than reading.

Parenting is rewarding, but it's hard work. It's a lot easier when there are two parents to share the responsibilities, even easier when there are young grandparents around to help out.
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Old 11-21-2018, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Central, NJ
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Good to hear Harpaint

The school has them for 6 or more hours, 5 days a week.
Some parents work and come home tired and worn out....why should they have to teach their child what the school should be teaching them.
Parents should be able to send their child to school with the confidence that the school is doing it's job.
It can be very frustrating to send a child to school knowing that when they get home the real lesson and learning begins....if they have the energy.


And If they don't, they will be blamed for their child not learning....despite that child going into a public school 5 days a week.
Good, Lord. It's shocking how many people think their only job as a parent is to drop them off and pick them up from somewhere every day.
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Old 11-23-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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Good, Lord. It's shocking how many people think their only job as a parent is to drop them off and pick them up from somewhere every day.
Why would you say that????
Are you saying it's not a good thing to drop your child off at a school???? and then pick them up after???

What would make you say that a parent thinks it's their "only job"??>?>

How could you possibly say that not knowing ANYTHING about the parents, or how they interact with their child out of the school?

Are you saying the parent shouldn't send their child to a public school???
Are you saying that if the child doesn't learn in the school environment his/her simple ABC's and 123's, ( and lets not forget where they are for 5-6 hours each day) that it's the parents fault?
If so, why even bother sending a child to school.

Quit blaming parents for the inadequacy of the teacher....it's shocking how often that happens.
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Old 11-24-2018, 12:52 AM
 
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Why would you say that????
Are you saying it's not a good thing to drop your child off at a school???? and then pick them up after???

What would make you say that a parent thinks it's their "only job"??>?>

How could you possibly say that not knowing ANYTHING about the parents, or how they interact with their child out of the school?

Are you saying the parent shouldn't send their child to a public school???
Are you saying that if the child doesn't learn in the school environment his/her simple ABC's and 123's, ( and lets not forget where they are for 5-6 hours each day) that it's the parents fault?
If so, why even bother sending a child to school.

Quit blaming parents for the inadequacy of the teacher....it's shocking how often that happens.


You need better reading comprehension because nothing of the sort was said.

Parents are the child's best advocate. If they can't be ass'd to take time and pay more than lip service to education then you'll get what you get

Many break their arms patting themselves on the back because they asked "did you do your homework" and got them to school. Congratulations on doing the minimum.
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Old 11-24-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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You need better reading comprehension because nothing of the sort was said.

Parents are the child's best advocate. If they can't be ass'd to take time and pay more than lip service to education then you'll get what you get

Many break their arms patting themselves on the back because they asked "did you do your homework" and got them to school. Congratulations on doing the minimum.
PLEASE...PLEASE....PLEASE, tell me you're NOT a teacher!
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Old 11-24-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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I tutored many 3rd graders who were behind in reading, largely because their parents didn't take the time to sit with them. I sat with them for 1/2 hour 3 times a week, and they all entered 4th grade reading.
Why couldn't the teacher sit with them for 1/2 hour 3 times a week?
So out of the 25 hours that these children spend in school each week,...the teacher couldn't read with them for 1and1/2 hours each week?
That works out to less than 20 minutes / day......just what or how DO they teach reading in school if it's not by reading to and being with the kids.

Imagine if you hadn't sat with these kids Harpaint....
Many people DO read to their children at home, and spend time helping them to learn.....and as you've basically said....it takes just a little time to help these children achieve success....why isn't the school giving these children the time they need?
Correct me if I'm wrong but,isn't that what schools are for???
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Old 11-24-2018, 09:21 AM
 
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You need better reading comprehension because nothing of the sort was said.

Parents are the child's best advocate. If they can't be ass'd to take time and pay more than lip service to education then you'll get what you get

Many break their arms patting themselves on the back because they asked "did you do your homework" and got them to school. Congratulations on doing the minimum.
And a great many "teachers" don't teach...just give the child homework... and pat themselves on the back....
Congratulations to them for doing the minimum, and getting away with it.
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Old 11-24-2018, 12:50 PM
 
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There is a right way to teach reading.

You need phonemic awareness, phonics, reading fluency, vocabulary development and reading comprehension.

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED498005.pdf

https://www.playdoughtoplato.com/how-to-read/
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Old 11-24-2018, 02:04 PM
 
Location: N of citrus, S of decent corn
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And a great many "teachers" don't teach...just give the child homework... and pat themselves on the back....
Congratulations to them for doing the minimum, and getting away with it.
I think you know that a teacher only has time to teach to the mainstream students. Who is tending to the rest of the class while she is spending time with two or three kids who are behind? Ideally, the school would have built in programs for extra help, the same as they do for gifted kids. Theres a segment that seems to fall between the cracks. Not candidates for IEP and not gifted, just a bit behind.

Before Id be whining about the teacher not doing enough, Id be handling it myself.
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Old 11-26-2018, 08:52 AM
 
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I think you know that a teacher only has time to teach to the mainstream students. Who is tending to the rest of the class while she is spending time with two or three kids who are behind? Ideally, the school would have built in programs for extra help, the same as they do for gifted kids. There’s a segment that seems to fall between the cracks. Not candidates for IEP and not gifted, just a bit behind.

Before I’d be whining about the teacher not doing enough, I’d be handling it myself.
She can spend "time with two or three kids" while the others are doing their lessons can she not???
According to Harpaint it takes less than 20 minutes per day.
Many teachers where I live now have teachers aids....can't THEY spend 20 minutes per day helping these children so that they won't fall behind?..in the class...during the lesson?

I believe the real problems with learning for children began when "whole language" instead of "phonetics" became the mandated curriculum.
Before that ,there were far less children having problems learning to read.

As for "handling it yourself", that's definitely happening...more and more parents are teaching their kids at home...if not for all the schooling, at least for the first few grades so that they KNOW their child has learned the basics.

It's not "whining" to point out the inadequacy of the teacher, nor the curicullum, especially when our taxes are paying for it.

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