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Even if a study was done to your exact specifications tomorrow- you will come to the same conclusion.
Doubtful.
I do not believe that vaccine ingredients (non-antigen) are causing Autism & that is due to well-executed studies.
I do not believe that the MMR, specifically; causes Autism & that is also due to well-executed studies.
There are many tenants of what would be called the "anti-vaccine" mindset that I do not agree with.
I have been shown studies right here on CD that has proven me wrong regarding other scientific subjects & when that has happened; I have made a point to come back to the conversation & say that I was wrong.
For the majority of my adult life, I did not believe that vaccines were causing any of the serious adverse events they had been blamed for causing & I was personally vested in being right. What I felt when I knew I had been wrong can best be described as grief. I was alone, reading a 900+ page archived CDC study when it happened. I didn't have to admit I was wrong then either & I didn't do it right away; I first had to deal with an unpleasant period of cognitive dissonance.
Have you ever compared how many shots we got to how many they get now? My eyes opened real wide when I realized my daughter born in 1993 was getting more vaccines then my son born in 1985. If I took out their shot records and compared them to my grandson I bet it would be 5 times more.
New vaccines are being developed all the time. I really wish some of them had been available when I was a kid. Mumps took away my ability to have children. Chickenpox made me horribly sick as a child, then came back on me as an agonizing case of shingles when I was in my 40s. I still have never been vaccinated for hepatitis A and B. I should probably take care of that.
Children are filthy little pest holes with no sense of hygiene. If they are around it, they will catch it.
HPV vaccination? Well, that one has been approved for use in adults up to 45. When you take your kids to the doctor, will they be now telling YOU to get that vax as well?
It's likely you are already infected, so a vaccine wouldn't do you any good. The vaccine works best before you have sex for the first time. By the time you and/or your partner have half a dozen sexual contacts, it's too late.
Here's hoping they hurry up with that gonorrhea vaccine. There is an everything-resistant strain circulating in SE Asia, and a case has been reported in Britain. None so far in the US, but it's only a matter of time.
Document that law. And not some anti-vaccine publication's interpretation of it, the state of Oregon's own words.
ORS 109.640 (2) A minor 15 years of age or older may give consent, without the consent of a parent or guardian of the minor, to:
(a) Hospital care, medical or surgical diagnosis or treatment by a physician licensed by the Oregon Medical Board or a naturopathic physician licensed under ORS chapter 685, and dental or surgical diagnosis or treatment by a dentist licensed by the Oregon Board of Dentistry, except as provided by ORS 109.660.
(b) Diagnosis or treatment by a physician assistant who is licensed under ORS 677.505 to 677.525 and who is acting pursuant to a practice agreement as defined in ORS 677.495.
(c) Diagnosis and treatment by a nurse practitioner who is licensed by the Oregon State Board of Nursing under ORS 678.375 and who is acting within the scope of practice for a nurse practitioner.
(d) Except when the minor is obtaining contact lenses for the first time, diagnosis and treatment by an optometrist who is licensed by the Oregon Board of Optometry under ORS 683.010 to 683.340 and who is acting within the scope of practice for an optometrist. [1971 c.381 §1; 2005 c.471 §7; 2010 c.91 §1; 2014 c.45 §11; 2017 c.356 §4]
I not only worked in Public Schools, but also in MR/DD facilities and Group Homes. That is considered "healthcare" as well. Both places we were offered a Hep B vaccination, but it was optional. We were not fired for refusing it. I signed OSHA's Opt Out Form multiple times. We were required to take Blood Borne Pathogens and Universal Precautions courses every year of employment; public schools included. We were told that Hep. B vaccination was to protect US from catching it from the Consumers, and Students. Want to know how many boxes of disposable gloves we went through changing diapers, menstrual pads, cleaning up vomit, and bloody noses?????? All those were required to be put in plastic bags in special containers marked Bio Hazardous Waste; public schools included. Did you know this "don't care" Katarina, and Suzy Q? Think I am lying about that? My experience working in Public Schools is irrelevant?
Who is more likely to bleed on whom? Mentally disabled adults and little children, or their Caregivers and School Staff? You cannot catch Hep. B or HPV or HIV, from simply breathing the same airspace as someone with those diseases.
Edit to Katarina and Suzy Q: If you are so concerned about Newborns getting Hep. B from their Mothers during Labor and Delivery, then TEST their Mothers beforehand. How are their infected family members going to pass THEIR blood to the Newborns? NOT by breathing the same AIRSPACE.
You were free to refuse the vaccine. The risk was all yours. Yes, your experience is irrelevant.
Testing mothers did not work. Vaccinating all babies does.
Any contact with blood, or sometimes surfaces contaminated with it, can transmit the virus. That means that someone who has bleeding from a cut or scrape can transmit the virus. Half the time it is not possible to determine how a child caught Hep B.
Hepatitis B could potentially be eliminated the way smallpox was. It will take vaccinating people around the world to do it.
What do you think the hepatitis B vaccine is going to do to you?
Surely as a nurse you know that doing such a study would be unethical and in violation of the Declaration of Helsinki re: medical ethics. Just because the parents wish to not vaccinate does not mean you can do a study and tell them they can't for the sake of research. What markg said..
I didn't say that such a study needs to, has to or even should be; done. I just said it hadn't been done & yes; I know that it won't be done.
Legally, in the US; Epidemiology alone cannot prove a lack of causal association. Meaning that despite all the hollering; until a saline-placebo, non-self controlled study has been done?
Nobody can prove that vaccines don't cause Autism. I didn't make those rules but I can play by them.
I believe that the poster is both an attorney & a parent & he also said he believed that "vaccinated vs unvaccinated" (epidemiology) was "sufficient". Is he basing what is sufficient on the anecdotal evidence that his kids have never had an adverse vaccine reaction? Because that is not a science-based belief.
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt
As you know, that poster has posted much anti-vaccine material. I get what you mean about labels, but still, if you're anti-vaccine, own it. Don't say "I'm not antivaccine but. . ."
But I'm not anti-vaccine. It seems that the majority of the population tolerates vaccines just fine & I have no reason to want to deprive them of that awesome advantage. Unfortunately, as an ASD adult with a severely autistic son & a little girl who died within 12 hours of receiving a vaccine ... I just don't think I'm one of them. Given that there are so many like me (but still a minority); allowing minors to make their own choices in the matter is a horrible idea. There is work to be done.
I think that obviously points to a multifactorial genetic component & I think we are getting close to figuring out what that is but whatever it is: It IS being exacerbated by vaccines. It's not as simple as pointing a finger at one factor & saying "It's all your fault!"
It's also not as simple as saying "Autism is all your fault!"
The same neuroinflammatory markers seen in the brains of people with Autism ... have been seen in brains of people with Schizophrenia & Alzheimers. And MS & Parkinsons.
Any contact with blood, or sometimes surfaces contaminated with it, can transmit the virus. That means that someone who has bleeding from a cut or scrape can transmit the virus. Half the time it is not possible to determine how a child caught Hep B.
Hepatitis B could potentially be eliminated the way smallpox was. It will take vaccinating people around the world to do it.
What do you think the hepatitis B vaccine is going to do to you?
My experience is not irrelevant when it comes to LAWS regarding Public School Staff? How much do you know about OSHA or HIPPA in Public Schools? You are an Office Manager in your husband's practice. YOUR experience is irrelevant in other occupations.
Eliminating Hep. B is going to take you a very long time. You will have to wait generations vaccinating all Newborns, unless you can find a way to mandate that all adults are given that vaccine in the meantime.
Edit: Tell me again my experience is irrelevant. I signed this form several times both working in MR/DD Facilities and in Public Schools. Try to eliminate this legally if you can.
A Hep. B vax is irrelevant FOR me. I am retired. How many men want to have sex with a 70 year old woman? Viagra is contraindicated for my husband with his heart condition. At also 70 years old, he prefers just be alive than having sex with anyone. He also refused a Hep. Vax when he was in the hospital after his first heart attack
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