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Old 09-01-2019, 12:48 PM
 
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Try look at Europe where almost all underage kids are used to having wine with dinner but they do not have the alcohol problems the US has.
Untrue. As the response above would conclude..".there are little to no drug/alcohol incidences with minors or any abuse with alcohol transcending into adulthood amongst European minors"

The reality is..alcohol is a drug ..and like it or not..it misses any nutritional value to make it daily consumption. Yes an ounce or two of wine does have its gastrointestinal relief ..that's usually for progressive cases. Young adults/minors rarely have those issues .

Exposure to it doesn't immune a person...it does though over time create liver/kidney and social damages.
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Old 09-01-2019, 01:10 PM
 
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Your insinuation that JUST SAY NO is realistic regarding alcohol. How do abstinence-only programs work? They correlate with high unwanted/underage pregnancy rates, that's how they 'work'. Why do you expect the same policy vis-a-vis alcohol to be any different? That's what's wrong with the picture that you have painted.

You'd have a point if posters were talking about how they plied their children with hard liquor vodka and bought them kegs for partying with friends. But that's not the case. The replies have focused on supervised consumption of small amounts of alcohol at home (and which is legal in most states). That is the teaching of responsibility and moderation.
Where did you get your analysis of my "insinuation?" I said nothing that would indicate "just say no" is "realistic."

My point is that parents who post here all have only GREAT experiences to report, but the population at large has many major issues with alcohol. The alcohol culture in colleges is appalling - yet people have no problem paying thousands and thousands of dollars to let their little darlings party.

There is no active alcoholism in any of the families on this board - only people with amazing wisdom with perfect kids.

It's just a little much and has no correlation, what-so-ever with reality.
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Old 09-01-2019, 02:08 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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We were allowed to have beer or wine with meals at the sorts of meals where beer or wine are usually served (holidays, cookouts, etc). I don't know that it made a difference either ways - four of us turned out to have no problems with alcohol, one went through a binging phase but grew out of it, the one has some trouble. Probably about the same proportions as the general population, so might as well throw the dice, I guess.
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Old 09-01-2019, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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There is no active alcoholism in any of the families on this board - only people with amazing wisdom with perfect kids.

It's just a little much and has no correlation, what-so-ever with reality.

That's so melodramatic. I answered the question about underage drinking for our house, and never proclaimed our kids were perfect. As a matter of fact, it's funny because DH and I are well aware of their many faults! It just doesn't happen to be in this area.
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Old 09-01-2019, 05:09 PM
 
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Your insinuation that JUST SAY NO is realistic regarding alcohol. How do abstinence-only programs work? They correlate with high unwanted/underage pregnancy rates, that's how they 'work'. Why do you expect the same policy vis-a-vis alcohol to be any different? That's what's wrong with the picture that you have painted.

You'd have a point if posters were talking about how they plied their children with hard liquor vodka and bought them kegs for partying with friends. But that's not the case. The replies have focused on supervised consumption of small amounts of alcohol at home (and which is legal in most states). That is the teaching of responsibility and moderation.
OMG . . . get some reading comprehension. No where did I ever say "just say no." Dumb.
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Old 09-01-2019, 05:11 PM
 
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That's so melodramatic. I answered the question about underage drinking for our house, and never proclaimed our kids were perfect. As a matter of fact, it's funny because DH and I are well aware of their many faults! It just doesn't happen to be in this area.
I am not talking about individuals - yet, not one person has responded with, "Oh yes, we allowed underage drinking at home, and our kid is now a raging alcoholic" (not that there is any correlation, but in the population, there is plenty of hard drinking, and, yes, alcoholism amongst young people).

It's all just so rosy here, was my only point.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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Try look at Europe where almost all underage kids are used to having wine with dinner but they do not have the alcohol problems the US has.
https://www.vox.com/2016/1/26/108332...r-drinking-age

That is a myth.

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According to international data from the World Health Organization, European teens ages 15 to 19 tend to report greater levels of binge drinking than American teens.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:22 PM
 
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people have no problem paying thousands and thousands of dollars to let their little darlings party.
Colleges often require students to dorm, and parents fear that if their kids don’t go to college, they’ll never get a job.
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I am not talking about individuals - yet, not one person has responded with, "Oh yes, we allowed underage drinking at home, and our kid is now a raging alcoholic" (not that there is any correlation, but in the population, there is plenty of hard drinking, and, yes, alcoholism amongst young people).

It's all just so rosy here, was my only point.
Alcoholism tends to be the result of a need to cope with something.
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Old 09-01-2019, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Alcohol is a gateway drug. It is, and always has been, the most abused drug worldwide. The best predicter of future behavior is past behavior. Like smoking, the earlier you start drinking, the greater chance you will become an over user. Some people are more susceptible to alcoholism than others, the best thing for them is never to drink at all. Alcoholism is harder to quit than Heroin. Booze is legal, heavily advertised, and it's everywhere. The temptation to drink is infinitely more difficult than Heroin. Booze is on TV, in magazines, newspapers, convenience store windows, and almost every social event. It's almost impossible to avoid.

Don't let your kids drink, being a parent is much more important than being your kids friend!!!
This is the tact which virtually ensures kids will end up having bad first experiences with alcohol IMO.

I enjoy drinking. I don't drink beer much any more, but I am lately into nicer scotches, tequila and mixing drinks at home as a hobby. I let my kids sip if they want to try whatever I am drinking. Only one often takes me up on the offer, the other two don't like the taste. As long as the kids learn that alcohol can lead to problems if handled improperly, I don't see any downsides. They are surrounded by adults who enjoy drinking, which is not going to change.

Rather than spend years being told, "not for you!" while watching us enjoy it so that when their time comes they go nuts behind our backs, I'd rather them see it as no big deal. It's not about being their friends.
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Old Yesterday, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Bay View, Milwaukee
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Like some other states, Wisconsin allows people under 21 to drink alcohol at home when supervised by a parent or guardian of legal drinking age. And Wisconsin, like only a couple of other states, allows for people under 21 to drink alcohol at bars if they are with a parent, guardian, or spouse of legal drinking age (and if the bar/licensee permits it, which is not always the case).

https://www.revenue.wi.gov/Pages/FAQS/ise-atundrg.aspx

I grew up in California, and my parents allowed me to have an occasional beer, glass of wine, or small serving of liqueur when they were around. It helped demystify alcohol for me, so in college and beyond I never much felt like I needed to go out and drink.
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