U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Parenting
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-05-2019, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
44,916 posts, read 43,419,189 times
Reputation: 86960

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasily View Post

Parents who value learning, make it enjoyable for their children and model it through their own behavior will produce adults with a life long passion for education - not kindergarten classes.
I agree, which is why the OP and her husband need to stop making her son's academic performance a personal benchmark.

The problem here isn't the test but their reaction to it.

"Oh well, you're learning a lot. You'll get them all next time."
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-05-2019, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
17,737 posts, read 18,022,989 times
Reputation: 43577
Quote:
Originally Posted by PamelaIamela View Post
When you are in kindergarten you are not a student yet.
Your primary job is to play nicely and socialize with peers in preparation for school.
Most four and five year olds are at the edge of babyhood and are not yet to the age of reason.
Don't you see that?

If not, then why not test pre-k 'students'?
And, uh, daycare 'students'.
Let's not not forget the under served 'early toddler student' population either, right?
For several years I taught in Birth to Three Year Old Special Education programs. Legally, we had to document all progress (or lack of progress) towards their individual goals (IEP).

I am sure that the kindergarten teacher needs to document each students skills to meet the legal requirements of the school district and/or state. In the kindergartens in my area, report cards (progress towards end of the year objectives) are given to each child quarterly (or sometimes three times a year- for schools on a trimester schedule).

Last edited by germaine2626; 10-05-2019 at 02:59 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2019, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Australia
1,188 posts, read 441,668 times
Reputation: 2252
I do not know about the US, but here kindergarten has different meanings in different states. Very confusing. In NSW, it is the first year of primary school and is followed by six more years before high school. Many children have turned six before they start. In other states that has a a different name such as Prep, and there kindergarten is the final year of pre-school.

So kindy in NSW can be very structured and my grandson in that year certainly has work lists, assessments, structured news presentations to prepare and receives detailed reports. Fortunately he loves school and very quickly told his mother to leave him at the gate, not walk him inside into the playground. She was quietly upset but knew his growing independence was a good thing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2019, 05:12 PM
 
4,205 posts, read 3,919,426 times
Reputation: 11582
It is totally within normal for children not to learn to read until even 2nd grade! Sight words is not my favorite method of teaching reading to children. And I can't believe he's being tested in October of kindergarten. But don't fight it - just do this at home:

Here is what I recommend. Do alphabet puzzles together, with him sounding out the letter's sound. Maybe a puzzle with big animal pictures with Aa and a picture of an Aardvark, Bb and a picture of a Baboon, and so on. Once he knows the initial letter sounds for all the letters, then you start with rhyming lists. For instance, you write At. He reads At. Below it you write Bat. He reads Bat. Cat, Fat, Hat, Mat, Pat, Rat, Sat, Vat (a vocabulary word, too). Next try It, Bit, Fit, Hit, and so on. Do this for all the three letter combos you can think of. That way, he is actually learning to sound it out using phonics, instead of whole word sight recognition. If the words on the list he has works for rhyming lists, do that too. For instance, if Is is on the list, do Is, His. (no more typical rhymes in that list!) For "In", do In, Bin (another vocab word), Din (and another), Fin, and so on.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2019, 06:45 PM
 
12,968 posts, read 7,860,572 times
Reputation: 24588
Quote:
Originally Posted by PamelaIamela View Post
If not, then why not test pre-k 'students'?
What makes you think pre-K students aren't assessed?

My pre-K students, we're just assessed on color, number, and letter recognition. They'll be assessed again around Christmas break, and then at the end of the school year. They're also officially assessed by the school sometime in the spring so they can track how much they've improved between spring pre-K and spring kindergarten.

The previous district I worked in assessed all pre-K, kindergarten, and 1st grade students 3 times a year to track their progress.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2019, 06:46 PM
 
458 posts, read 110,897 times
Reputation: 485
We probably did overreact to this. He’s our first child and the transition to school has not been that easy.

We are probably on edge with this teacher for a few other reasons too. My son also had this teacher last year in k1. He’s in k2 now. Last year the teacher reported to us that he was going to the bathroom a lot (pee). Our son was 4 years old and we weren’t sure what to make of this but the teacher was basically complaining it felt like. She even said something like it can be disturbing to the class and someone has to go with him. The bathroom was literally right next to the classroom. She even let us know how often he asked to go, the times he went etc. she made a list. I think our son knew that him going to the bathroom outside the times the class was taken was frowned upon and a few times he wet his pants. We even took him to the dr, our pediatrician thought this was normal and that kids are different at this age with how often they go. We still had him tested for diabetes. All was fine there. Teacher just felt like he went too much for her liking and sometimes she said he would be holding himself. Again this is normal and I’m not even a teacher and I’ve seen little boys do this my whole life. I also have to point out that the teacher is 25 or 26 years old.

So he ended up having the same teacher again this year. We were like ok, the school year ended up being fine in the end. My son had no bathroom trouble all summer then the first week back to school he wet his pants. I went to the school with new clothes for him. When I saw the teacher she was like he had already gone a few times and he was soaked. I just said well I don’t know what to say but this hasn’t happened all summer. It was like she wanted an apology or explanation from me. This hasn’t happened again since and he and the teacher now have a sign where he crosses his fingers if he has to use the bathroom in addition to the assigned time. This is a catholic school. My DH told the teacher last year to just let our son go to the bathroom when he needs to. We are probably moving this spring and he won’t be going to this school next year.

I’m explaining all this because I feel like perhaps the teacher doesn’t like my son or us because of this. It really seemed to be an issue for her that he wasn’t more regimented with his bathroom habits. If a 4 year old has to go you let them go! End of story but she saw things differently. DH and I just hope she isn’t trying to pick at our son or at us.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2019, 07:25 PM
 
12,968 posts, read 7,860,572 times
Reputation: 24588
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge781 View Post
I’m explaining all this because I feel like perhaps the teacher doesn’t like my son or us because of this. It really seemed to be an issue for her that he wasn’t more regimented with his bathroom habits. If a 4 year old has to go you let them go! End of story but she saw things differently. DH and I just hope she isn’t trying to pick at our son or at us.
So you think this teacher claimed your son only knew 3 of the 10 sight words because he doesn't use the bathroom with the rest of the class? Yeah... Good luck with the rest of your son's schooling if you're going to think everything is a slight against him.

And yes, going outside of the class's assigned bathroom times is disruptive to the school day. Even if the bathroom is just down the hall, a 4-5 year old can't be sent to the bathroom alone. Someone has to go with him, and I doubt the school has a staff member that is just there for unscheduled bathroom breaks. It's disruptive to the classroom and takes away from the other students learning.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2019, 07:47 PM
 
458 posts, read 110,897 times
Reputation: 485
Wow. Some really rude people on this parenting board. Other parents are by far the worst critics and judges ever. If my kid has to pee at 4 he’s going to pee.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2019, 08:32 PM
 
Location: 60630
12,362 posts, read 18,298,766 times
Reputation: 11795
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge781 View Post
So today my son was tested on some sight words. We got the words last Friday and have been practicing them all week. He knew them with us the only words he confused a bit were in and is. We found out from the teacher that he only knew 3 of the words when tested today with her.

DH and I feel frustrated. I anticipated something like this would happen but we did our best with learning and he knew them with us then flubbed with the teacher. In a completely different environment and with a different person and who knows what else was going on his 5 yr old brain. I feel a bit dismayed. He is a bright boy, has an extensive vocabulary, but he will be judged on these 10 words that he didnít know with this teacher.

Is it too early to worry?
Don't worry please! It will be ok I promise.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-05-2019, 08:44 PM
 
1,338 posts, read 494,819 times
Reputation: 4289
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge781 View Post
Wow. Some really rude people on this parenting board. Other parents are by far the worst critics and judges ever. If my kid has to pee at 4 heís going to pee.
Now you're talking!

Funny how it's always the professional education-istas who spout this theory or that study to show how advanced we are in our understanding and execution of the educational process.
Disagree with them for a moment and it's "NO TALKING!"

Based on the current state of the industry and it's product, I am not very impressed.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Parenting
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top