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Old Today, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MissTerri View Post
Now that NY has eliminated all exemptions besides medical and also tightened up medical exemptions, they are now introducing legislation to make the HPV vaccine required for elementary school children. You can’t catch HPV in school so it does not make sense for the perspective of keeping kids who can’t get the vaccine safe at school. I suspect this will lead to more homeschoolers.

Not only that, they want to do it without parental knowledge or consent. This is crazy!

This is where the "justification" veers off the tracks.

If it was truly a communicable public health issue, HPV would not be on the schedule. Hep B would not be on the schedule. But they are.

Old Today, 10:09 AM
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by newtovenice View Post
They would have been in my neighborhood, at church, at the store, at the movies, trick or treating during Halloween, somebody's brother and sister, etc.

They would have EXISTED in society and would have been noticed.

Where were they? Why aren't there thousands and thousands of adult day care centers to care for all these adults TODAY? Since the parents are too old to do it.

Where are ALL those 1 in 59 adults who cannot function in everyday society? Since, according to you the percent in the population has *never* changed. They have always existed at this incredibly high rate.

Were all of us blind 30 years ago? Show all the diagnosis codes that were used IN PLACE of autism but all these pediatricians that recorded cognitive and behavioral deficits in their child patients.

Never saw them, not because of "better" diagnosis ... they simply weren't here. Most kids were "normal" using the term loosely.
Read RamenAddict's post. They were not in the neighborhood, at church, at the store, at the movies.

They were in institutions. Their siblings never talked about them.

Pediatricians did not code them at all. Insurance was not billed for office visits. It only covered hospitalization.

Originally Posted by Jo48 View Post
That says it all to me about Offit. He experimented on his own children? Horrific. Experiment on your own adult self, Doctor.

The moral is never vote for some Doctor or Nurse running for political office. They seem to be on some mission from God to legislate medicine. Practicing medicine is not good enough for them. When I found out that Howard Dean was a Doctor, he did not get my vote.
No, dear, he used an already approved vaccine. There was nothing experimental about it.

However, researchers have long used themselves and their families as experimental subjects. Jonas Salk's wife and sons volunteered for safety testing of his polio vaccine.

Yes, we all know you are anti-medicine.

Originally Posted by Jo48 View Post
IMHO, it is probably a combination of genetic predisposition and vaccines which can/will add to the severity. Is the prevention of the disease worth the risk? For most of these vaccinations, I would say no it is not worth the risk. HPV? Flu? Do we really need a Common Cold Vaccine? "There can never be too many vaccines!" Right.
Vaccines do not cause autism.

HPV causes cancer. Flu can kill. I personally think they are both worth preventing.

The military uses an adenovirus vaccine, because having a large percentage of your fighting force sidelined with a "cold" is not good.
Old Today, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
No, dear, he used an already approved vaccine. There was nothing experimental about it.

However, researchers have long used themselves and their families as experimental subjects. Jonas Salk's wife and sons volunteered for safety testing of his polio vaccine.
Your link say’s the following,
"Risk is also the motivating idea in Offit's life. This is a man, after all, who opted to give his own two children — now teenagers — the flu vaccine before it was recommended for their age group. ”

It was not recommended for this age group yet he gave it to the anyway. That sounds experimental. He also said that taking 10,000 vaccines at once is safe. Still waiting for him to test that theory out on himself. He helped get the rotavirus vaccine on the schedule, something that he later profited form personally. Great guy, indeed.
Old Today, 10:33 AM
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by MissTerri View Post
Polio cases caused by the vaccine are now outnumbering cases caused by the wild virus in countries that still use the live vaccine. A victim of it’s own success. What a mess.
Was talking about this in a vaccine group I belong to. We PVs all knew the AVs would jump on this poorly worded headline written by a journalist who likely hasn't taken a science course since high school.

I'm not sure why this is getting so much attention now. It's not news that in rare cases, the oral polio vaccine can shed, revert back to full strength and cause polio in unvaccinated people. That there are more cases from the vaccine than the disease actually means the disease is being wiped out. It also means that people still need to vaccinate, because vaccinated people are not affected. OPV is not used in the US, Canada, most countries in Europe, Japan, Australia, and many other "developed" countries. However, this nutty idea that AVs have that they don't need to vaccinate their kids for polio because they won't be exposed could really cause them trouble, if someone vaccinated with OPV came to their country and the virus reactivated and started an outbreak.
Old Today, 10:34 AM
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Thread closed due to moderator consideration. Seems this topic has been more than adequately addressed. Far too many contentious posts.....
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