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When medical professionals tell people whose children are suffering from vaccine injuries that "it's just a coincidence" or "it could not have been caused by a vaccine" or "screaming for hours and hours after a vaccine is normal," yes, it leads me to believe that those particular doctors may be a bit singleminded and suffering from tunnel vision. I do'nt think they're scheming in their beds at night about how to hurt children, not at all. I thinkt hat they feel they are doing what is right.
You said it yourself, "it's not an easy decision to make." I fully agree with this! It's NOT an easy decision to make, which is why I don't understand all of the hostility towards those who make a different decision. Apparently you CAN see the other side of this, and you made a different decision than I might. There are other posters on this board, though, who can't seem to fathom why anyone would make those choices.
Did you know that statistics can be and often are very, very skewed? If you think about polio, and how the numbers appeared to go down right after vaccinations were started, of course you would think that the vaccine is what eradicated it. When you look deeper, though, you see that not only did the definition of polio change right when the vaccine was introduced, but the definition of "epidemic" changed as well. Even if no vaccine was introduced, just changing those definitions made a HUGE difference in the numbers. So to look at statistics without researching the whole story does not make sense. Only people don't tend to know these things, because *whoever* does not want them to know these things. I know it's not my pediatrician or your husband or the professor who teaches immunology at the local college.... but it's still mistruth, and still being perpetuated. All parents have the right to this information so that they can make an INFORMED decision, but the majority of parents are unaware of it for whatever reason. If people know the truth and still want to vaccinate, then that's great! They made an informed decision and have all of the information available. Unfortunately, most of the time, these decisions are treated as "no big deal," or worse, not a choice for parents to make at all.
I certainly don't have any hostility toward anyone who makes an informed decision on the care of the family. If anyone has ever felt like that by any doctor, they have the right to get up and walk out. That is not right to be made to feel like that, so don't let it happen.
I do know that statistics can be skewed. I look to UNICEF, WHO, IMO, CDC,,,I do not look to base my decisions on medical opinions of anyone. I look to numbers, data, publications, studies...
The only reason that Polio lacks in this country is because of the use of the vaccine. Do you think there is a cover-up? A global cover-up of the history of the Polio vaccine?
Please link me to your sites of source...Where do you get your information from?
You should watch all 4 parts... each is about 4 minutes. While it's Dr. Tenpenny giving the information, it's all cited, and most of it is from the CDC and other "non-alternative" sources.
I certainly don't have any hostility toward anyone who makes an informed decision on the care of the family. If anyone has ever felt like that by any doctor, they have the right to get up and walk out. That is not right to be made to feel like that, so don't let it happen.
Please link me to your sites of source...Where do you get your information from?
And I was not referring to you having hostility... other posters on this thread.
I would choose the opposite. When something happens to your child, it creates a passion. It drives you, your mind is clear to seeking the facts, you are not clouded by what you have been taught.
There are reasons why Doctors should not treat family members. Because they get skewered in their thinking and their objectivity goes out the window.
Ever heard that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing? Give someone a little knowledge and it doesn't make them a specialist. Just because your child is afflicted with something does not mean you are qualified to treat and diagnos your child.
YES, being a parent means you are closest to the patient, but without the medical or pathology background, you could be doing more harm then good.
I know their intentions are good and I realize they believe what happened to their child was solely the fault of vaccines. Perhaps back then it was. But because of their fighting the big drug comapnies, they have changed vaccines and they are relatively safe now. Let's not even go into the genetic and environmental issues involved as to why only some children get autism.
There is a differences between being your childs advocate, and treating and diagnosing your childs medical conditions. I think you should be a patient advocate for ALL members of your family.
You should watch all 4 parts... each is about 4 minutes. While it's Dr. Tenpenny giving the information, it's all cited, and most of it is from the CDC and other "non-alternative" sources.
Here is where Dr. Tenpenny gets her info from...as she picks and pulls snipits but does not reveal the entirety of the text. That is real honestly from a physician... She is using current stats and applying them to the hight of polio in the 50's. Her source she qoutes from, clearly states it's stance on Polio.
Dr. Tenpenny's disclaimer on her site: Disclaimer: The entire contents of this website are based upon the opinions of Dr. Sherri Tenpenny unless otherwise noted. The information on this website is not intended to replace a one-on-one relationship with a qualified health care professional and is not intended as medical advice.
Again, I prefer numbers, studies, publications, from all over the world. Not some doctor who is getting rich from selling supplements for Osteomed. Her disclaimer says it all for me... Give me real info...not an opinion. She is out to sell something...and your buying.
I looked at the Merck website, and I don't understand what you are saying... are you saying that Merck is or is not a reputable source of information? I see where it says that fewer than 1 out of 60-100 people with polio develop symptoms, and that 80% of those 1-2% develop only a fever and general malaise, which is what Dr. Tenpenny is saying. Do you think that's untrue? Or am I misunderstanding you?
Most websites say that you should consult with your healthcare provider and that the information contained within is not a substitute for medical advice from your own doctor... it's a CYA type of thing. If someone contracted polio and died from it because they followed Dr. Tenpenny's advice, her statement provides a modicum of protection. Her information is based on studies and statistics from government agencies and the pharma companies themselves. The conclusions that she comes to are what she has to tout as opinion.
I've never bought anything from her... just listened to her videos. She does advocate good nutrition, but obviously you don't need to buy her supplements in order to have good nutrition.
I looked at the Merck website, and I don't understand what you are saying... are you saying that Merck is or is not a reputable source of information? I see where it says that fewer than 1 out of 60-100 people with polio develop symptoms, and that 80% of those 1-2% develop only a fever and general malaise, which is what Dr. Tenpenny is saying. Do you think that's untrue? Or am I misunderstanding you?
Most websites say that you should consult with your healthcare provider and that the information contained within is not a substitute for medical advice from your own doctor... it's a CYA type of thing. If someone contracted polio and died from it because they followed Dr. Tenpenny's advice, her statement provides a modicum of protection. Her information is based on studies and statistics from government agencies and the pharma companies themselves. The conclusions that she comes to are what she has to tout as opinion.
I've never bought anything from her... just listened to her videos. She does advocate good nutrition, but obviously you don't need to buy her supplements in order to have good nutrition.
Dr. Tenpenny is taking these current statistics and applying them to the epidemic in the 50's. She is taking current numbers that are based ont he occurence of polio right now and applying them to the epidemic in the 50's. That is skewed number.
At 1:27 in her video...she quotes all of these numbers and then she applies them to the endemic in the 50's-60's.
In 1952 alone: 58,000 cases were reported that year. 3,145 died and 21,269 were left with mild to disabling paralysis.
Do those numbers look like 90% of exposed peoples suffered from a simple infection?
I think *that* is why she makes her disclaimer on her site...
It's irrelevant really.... I am not interested in posting all kinds of numbers... I have 177 cookies to make before 5:30...
But if you think she is not out to make a quick buck on the fear of all the scared parents out here...think again.
"But if you think she is not out to make a quick buck on the fear of all the scared parents out here...think again...."
Just like the drug companies are not out there to make a buck on all of the potential patients in the world. Traded companies, with responsibility to their stockholders only...
When will we see independent studies with real facts and figures and the truth about all those things the government and powers that be think we are incapable of dealing with?
Just a thought... and... I have never heard of this particular doc - have to check into that.
You can blame 'big pharma' all you want here in this country...But you can not deny or refute the progress from vaccines globally. Just look at UNICEF.
I think these statistics (especially the polio link) refute Dr. Tenpenny's point of view enough. Polio still exists very much in 3rd world countries because they do not have access tot he vaccines available. It is not just 'going away'...
"The GPEI (Global Polio Eradication Initiative)was created in 1988 when the members of the World Health Assembly agreed to establish a global goal to eradicate polio. At that time, wild poliovirus was endemic in more than 125 countries on five continents, paralyzing more than 1,000 children every day. Now polio is endemic in four countries and this year less than 1,500 cases have been reported so far worldwide."
That is from UNICEF also.
The control of polio is due to vaccinating kids.
Last edited by *Danielle*; 12-06-2008 at 02:57 PM..
Good afternoon,my name is Nicole and i have a 5 yrs old son,we just came in u.s and he only have 4 shots,because when he did in romania he was sick from that,and i stopped taking him for shots,because i was afraid,what can i do now?Can he get the shot's here?It's not to late??I want to put him in daycare,does he needs all shots? Thank you verry much for your time. Nicole
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