Breastfeeding Older Children (support, girl, accident, 8 yr old)

[2girlsand2boys]

Originally Posted by Kali's Grandma

My bad...I should have realized that yours was the only opinion that mattered.
And NO, do NOT EVER think you know what my "conditioning" is. That comment was very rude and insulting.

You are now on ignore....if you can't answer without being insulting, I have no desire to inter act-with you.

Okay, you are right. It isn't insulting at all for you to call people who practice CLW and extended breastfeeding "creepy".

Ignore all you want, Grandma. You feel the way you do because society has told you you should. That isn't insulting. It's true.

[mainerwoman]

Originally Posted by 2girlsand2boys

Okay, you are right. It isn't insulting at all for you to call people who practice CLW and extended breastfeeding "creepy".

Ignore all you want, Grandma. You feel the way you do because society has told you you should.
So, because people disagree with you, you feel that we do not have the intelligence to form our own opinions. My feelings on the subject of extended breastfeeding didn't come from society, it came from breastfeeding two children. I know what is the right thing to do, and breastfeeding a 7/8 year old isn't right. You can list what ever study you can dredge up, every organization under the sun, but it doesn't mean you are right. I would never dream of breastfeeding my almost 8 year old. I love her, and I hug and kiss her all the time. When she's had a tough day at school, I tell her what a wonderful, smart, thrilling, incredible person she is. I am able to comfort her without shoving my breasts in her face. Please don't tell me that is because I can't separate the sexual /nurturing sides of my breasts. The idea that anything on my body was meant for anything except a device for children to hang off of flew out the window a long time ago.
That isn't insulting. It's true. Maybe it's true that everything you believe you read in a Dr. Sears book. Maybe it's true that all of your thoughts, feelings and beliefs came from Oprah. That could be as insulting as you saying that society informs Kali's Grandma what to believe.

This thread started out interesting, but your posts attacked anyone who had a different opinion.

[2girlsand2boys]

Originally Posted by mainerwoman

This thread started out interesting, but your posts attacked anyone who had a different opinion.

How are my posts any more attacking than the people who referred to women nursing an older child as "sickos" and "disgusting"? That is obviously just their opinion, and I find that to be insulting!

Originally Posted by 2girlsand2boys
Okay, you are right. It isn't insulting at all for you to call people who practice CLW and extended breastfeeding "creepy".

Ignore all you want, Grandma. You feel the way you do because society has told you you should.
So, because people disagree with you, you feel that we do not have the intelligence to form our own opinions. My feelings on the subject of extended breastfeeding didn't come from society, it came from breastfeeding two children. I know what is the right thing to do, and breastfeeding a 7/8 year old isn't right. You can list what ever study you can dredge up, every organization under the sun, but it doesn't mean you are right. I would never dream of breastfeeding my almost 8 year old. I love her, and I hug and kiss her all the time. When she's had a tough day at school, I tell her what a wonderful, smart, thrilling, incredible person she is. I am able to comfort her without shoving my breasts in her face. Please don't tell me that is because I can't separate the sexual /nurturing sides of my breasts. The idea that anything on my body was meant for anything except a device for children to hang off of flew out the window a long time ago.
That isn't insulting. It's true. Maybe it's true that everything you believe you read in a Dr. Sears book. Maybe it's true that all of your thoughts, feelings and beliefs came from Oprah. That could be as insulting as you saying that society informs Kali's Grandma what to believe.

You said that YOU know what is right. What is that based on? Certainly not fact! It is based on your opinion! The same as MY opinion that it is healthier for a child to be nursing at age 8 than to eating most of the crap found in the American's diet. I also believe that most people find extended breastfeeding "icky" because we do not live in a society where everyone does it. Like it or not, Americans are sheep that find it difficult to form their own opinions on things. No one wants to have an original thought for fear of being a social outcast! It is much easier for them to say, "Well, the Jones's do it this way, so I should too." or "no one breastfeeds a child for that long, so I shouldn't either".

Call it insulting if you like, but that is the way it is. If it was common in our society to see 8 year olds nursing, this would be a non-issue.

[Woof Woof Woof!]

Originally Posted by 2girlsand2boys

Okay, you are right. It isn't insulting at all for you to call people who practice CLW and extended breastfeeding "creepy".

Ignore all you want, Grandma. You feel the way you do because society has told you you should. That isn't insulting. It's true.

Well spoken!

I agree with 2girlsand2boys --

She hasn't been insulting. She speaks from experience as a mother, and a good one at that!

And she makes a good point. People in our society get totally brainwashed into thinking something is wrong with extended breastfeeding.

Nothing wrong with it and the kids probably come out a lot better balanced than half the folks in our society!

[zonababe]

What is it with women and bickering? We just go around and around on the same issues. We aren't all going to see things in the same light. The bickering gets down right ugly and it solves nothing. I see it in every forum that women join. Women just don't play well together. Think about it, what would happen if you weren't right? What would happen if you didn't get the last word? The answer to both questions is nothing. From boobs to Big Macs, let's put away the claws and try a civil approach.

[Granny Sue]

Originally Posted by Woof Woof Woof!

Well spoken!

I agree with 2girlsand2boys --

She hasn't been insulting. She speaks from experience as a mother, and a good one at that!

And she makes a good point. People in our society get totally brainwashed into thinking something is wrong with extended breastfeeding.

Nothing wrong with it and the kids probably come out a lot better balanced than half the folks in our society!

Ok, let's take the personal attacks out...which I never did by the way. I said TO ME it was creepy to think of a walking talking person suckling a mother's breast. TO ME get it?

I never said that the people doing it were creepy. I never said the people doing it were bad parents. I was then accused of thinking of the breast as a sexual body part.
I found that being said along with talking about children insulting. I for one don't appreciate being told what I think and don't think. You don't know what I think. You never bothered to ask what age I thought it was appropriate. It was attack 1st and ask questions later.
Just because we have different ideas on how long a child should breast feed doesn't make either one of us bad parents.

Ya'll put the personal spin on it. I didn't. So much for an intelligent conversation.

[2girlsand2boys]

Originally Posted by Kali's Grandma

Ok, let's take the personal attacks out...which I never did by the way. I said TO ME it was creepy to think of a walking talking person suckling a mother's breast. TO ME get it?

I never said that the people doing it were creepy. I never said the people doing it were bad parents. I was then accused of thinking of the breast as a sexual body part.
I found that being said along with talking about children insulting. I for one don't appreciate being told what I think and don't think. You don't know what I think. You never bothered to ask what age I thought it was appropriate. That's because you already told us. You said that when they can "walk and talk" they are too old. In my case, that would have been 10 months... nowhere near age 8! It was attack 1st and ask questions later.
Just because we have different ideas on how long a child should breast feed doesn't make either one of us bad parents.

Ya'll put the personal spin on it. I didn't. So much for an intelligent conversation.

Actually what you said was: "I'm sorry, I just find it creepy for a walking, talking human to be sucking on their mother's breast."

I do not see the words TO ME in there anywhere. And even if that is what you meant, you are still using very derogatory words to describe the child's nursing relationship with her mother.

I cannot, personally, imagine nursing my daughter who is 7.5, however, if I saw another mother doing it my first thought would not be "creepy"!. If you look back on all of my posts, you will see that I said that I found nursing an 8 year old to be a little much/old, but I don't think anywhere I used "attacking" words such as "creepy", "disgusting" and the plethora of other insults that have been slung around.

Also, I did ask what your basis for reasoning was and you had no response to that. If you don't think of breasts as strictly sexual, then prove me wrong. I have nothing else to think except that that IS what you (and the rest of society think)

I don't care if we have different opinions. I care that you and others are "attacking" other parents about how long they choose to breastfeed. I think a parent and their child should continue for as long as THEY feel comfortable doing it. Not as long as is acceptable to a bunch of strangers who think they are gross for their choice!

[2girlsand2boys]

Originally Posted by Woof Woof Woof!

Well spoken!

I agree with 2girlsand2boys --

She hasn't been insulting. She speaks from experience as a mother, and a good one at that!

And she makes a good point. People in our society get totally brainwashed into thinking something is wrong with extended breastfeeding.

Nothing wrong with it and the kids probably come out a lot better balanced than half the folks in our society!

Thanks, Woof!

[ADVentive]

Originally Posted by Kali's Grandma

Ok, let's take the personal attacks out...which I never did by the way. I said TO ME it was creepy to think of a walking talking person suckling a mother's breast. TO ME get it?

I never said that the people doing it were creepy. I never said the people doing it were bad parents. I was then accused of thinking of the breast as a sexual body part.
I found that being said along with talking about children insulting. I for one don't appreciate being told what I think and don't think. You don't know what I think. You never bothered to ask what age I thought it was appropriate. It was attack 1st and ask questions later.
Just because we have different ideas on how long a child should breast feed doesn't make either one of us bad parents.

Ya'll put the personal spin on it. I didn't. So much for an intelligent conversation.

Sorry, I (and probably others) had assumed that when you specified walking/talking, that the age you had in mind was approximately 12 months. If that is not true, please correct me. Until what age do you think it is appropriate to nurse? Also, please tell me what it is about walking and/or talking that you feel relates to appropriate weaning age, and what makes it "creepy" to go beyond that.

Also FYI, adding "to me" to your statement is not really making it less offensive in this case. The reason is because you are not saying that you would find it personally creepy to nurse your child to that age - you are saying that you find it creepy in general and you specify that in this post with your words "a mother's breast" as opposed to "my breast".

I don't think that any of us are saying that you should nurse your children until they are 7-8 years old. We are not even saying that this is something that we want to do ourselves. We are just saying that this is the upper side of the bell curve of biologically normal behavior, and that if a mother dedicated to CLW allows her child to nurse that long, then that's between her and her child and there's nothing wrong with it.

[ryane06]

Wow, when I had children I planned on breastfeeding till they were 6 months to 8 months and I thought that was long as it is. I can't imagine breastfeeding after they were one, my nipples would fall off!