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Old 12-28-2010, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I wouldn't trust anything the cdc says...they lie..all the time.
Please give an example of a lie from the CDC. An actual lie, not just a a link to a blog. Please give the name of the person who lied and substantiate that it was indeed a lie.
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Old 01-14-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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When you quote cdc lies, you never give the name of the PERSON ,nor any of the safety tests done that would substantiate what you say.YOU have also posted links to blogs.Obviously unless the imfo comes from the cdc or who (both of who expect us to blindly trust them) You have your blinders on.

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Old 01-14-2011, 11:08 AM
 
Location: In a house
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That article was written by Tony Isaacs, who is not a medical practicitioner (licensed OR unlicensed). He sells nutritional supplements for a living, mostly on his own website and through a few other websites as well. He has no medical credentials of any kind, from any school, and the sources he uses to compose his articles are not news sources, or medical sources (valid or otherwise).

In other words, his article is fiction.
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Old 01-14-2011, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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CDC Lies about H1N1 Vaccine Pregnancy SafetyWhen you quote cdc lies, you never give the name of the PERSON ,nor any of the safety tests done that would substantiate what you say.YOU have also posted links to blogs.Obviously unless the imfo comes from the cdc or who (both of who expect us to blindly trust them) You have your blinders on.
No, the liars are the anti-vax people who do not know what they are talking about.

In order to know whether flu vaccine increase the risk of spontaneous abortion, you first have to know the background rate of spontaneous abortion. See here:

CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - Q & A: Seasonal Flu Vaccine Safety and Pregnant Women

What do studies show about pregnant women and the safety of last year’s 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine?

Considerable efforts were made to study the safety of vaccinating pregnant women with the 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine during the 2009-2010 flu season. CDC’s Immunization Safety Office, in collaboration with FDA, conducted a review of the VAERS database from October 1, 2009 to June 30, 2010 of pregnant women who received 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine. The review found no unexpected or unusual adverse events.
The search found a total of 344 reports, of which 149 (43.3%) were reports of spontaneous abortion and 21 (6.1%) were reports of stillbirths. Of these reports, 105 (30.5%) spontaneous abortions and 18 (5.2%) stillbirths were verified by review of medical records. The reporting rates for spontaneous abortions and stillbirths were 49.6 and 7.4 reports per one million pregnant women vaccinated, respectively.
About 10.4% - 22.4% of all pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion and almost 0.5% of all pregnancies end in stillbirths regardless of vaccination. Thus, reporting rates to VAERS for spontaneous abortions and stillbirths were well below the normal rates that are expected in the general population. The studies show there was no increase in adverse events in pregnant vaccinated women than in non-vaccinated women.

Since I do not believe there is a gigantic conspiracy involving the CDC, I see no reason to disbelieve what they publish.

If you wish to convince anyone that the CDC lies, you will need to come up with a confirmed lie. You have yet to do so.

Your link is to a blog, by the way.

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Old 01-14-2011, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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That article was written by Tony Isaacs, who is not a medical practicitioner (licensed OR unlicensed). He sells nutritional supplements for a living, mostly on his own website and through a few other websites as well. He has no medical credentials of any kind, from any school, and the sources he uses to compose his articles are not news sources, or medical sources (valid or otherwise).

In other words, his article is fiction.
Tony "Just rub some oleander on it, and call me in the morning!" Isaacs? What a joke. He had a devastating impact on HIV treatments in sub-Saharan Africa, suggesting that all people needed to cure the disease were herbs. He should be prosecuted.
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Old 01-14-2011, 03:12 PM
 
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I was going to try and stay out of this vaccine thread. This post convinced me to do otherwise.

Perhaps, more lies and misinformation are out there about vaccination than any other subject. I think it might be worth it for someone, sometime to try and study why something as effective at preventing disease as vaccination is the subject of so much dishonest propaganda.

This article is basically about something called the "Coalition of Concerned Women" which has attempted to tell the CDC that vaccines are causing many injuries. A close examination of "Coalition of Concerned Women" shows that they are an outgrowth of the organization "Progressive Convergence".

Progressive Convergence is a "weirdo" organization". There is a saying that "by their fruits ye shall know them". What does Progressive Convergence believe and advocate? Well in addition to believing vaccines are harmful they believe the following:

1. AIDS was a man-made disease that was created by western countries to reduce the population in Third World Countries.

2. Avian Flu (or bird flu) was is also a man-made disease created for the same ostensible purpose.

This is garbage. It is fantasy of the worst kind. Some things we read in life are dishonest, but are not harmful. This kind of dishonest propaganda has the potentially for harming thousands, if not millions, of people.

Dear readers, if per chance you have given any credit to the link above be aware of what else these people believe. I didn't see anything in their website about alien abduction or crop circles, but this is the kind of crap these people believe.

The Constant Gardener: Press Release - AIDS made in America
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