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Old 05-21-2009, 12:35 PM
 
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I think I saw a show about this on Oprah several months ago. She had some transgendered people who as children decided to live as "their true selves". The confusing part was that when they grew into adulthood these people reverted back to their natural born selves. It was confusing for me to watch. But for example, a little girl felt she was really a boy. She grows into adolescence and now wants a sex change operation. She gets it done, and now lives as a man. A man who is attracted to other men! So fast forward several years later and this "man" now regrets getting the sex change operation and wishes "he" still had female parts! Very confusing but interesting all the same. Now, if it was MY child I would calmly explain that he/she is not done growing up yet, and when that time comes you can make a decision of how you want to live your life. But until then you are a girl (boy). This would be done in a loving way of course.
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Old 05-21-2009, 12:53 PM
 
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I think I saw a show about this on Oprah several months ago. She had some transgendered people who as children decided to live as "their true selves". The confusing part was that when they grew into adulthood these people reverted back to their natural born selves. It was confusing for me to watch. But for example, a little girl felt she was really a boy. She grows into adolescence and now wants a sex change operation. She gets it done, and now lives as a man. A man who is attracted to other men! So fast forward several years later and this "man" now regrets getting the sex change operation and wishes "he" still had female parts! Very confusing but interesting all the same. Now, if it was MY child I would calmly explain that he/she is not done growing up yet, and when that time comes you can make a decision of how you want to live your life. But until then you are a girl (boy). This would be done in a loving way of course.

That is why no drugs or hormone therapy should be used until the child is an adult.
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Old 05-21-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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Polycystic ovary syndrome: Symptoms - MayoClinic.com
Signs of excess androgen. Elevated levels of male hormones..

This is how it pertains to girls, and it is similar with boys. When it is a biological problem, and treated with hormone therapy it can be balanced. Why is that so difficult to understand.
Now we have entered territory in which I am more than a little bit knowledgeable. I have PCOS. It is not the same thing, not at all. The elevated androgen levels in PCOS occur in adulthood and in no way affect one's gender identity. I am firmly aware of my gender and have never questioned it. I am 100% female.
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Old 05-21-2009, 01:13 PM
 
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Increased aggression and activity level in 3- to 11-year-old girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia
"2. girls with CAH are more aggressive and active than their unaffected sisters; and 3. boys with and without CAH are similar to one another in aggression and activity level. These data suggest that early androgens have a masculinizing effect on both aggressive behavior and activity level in girls."

"..In addition to a masculinized appearance at birth, females with classical CAH display increases in some male-typical behaviors from early childhood. For instance, there are consistent reports that girls with the disorder show enhanced preferences for toys and activities normally preferred by boys and for boys as playmates.."

This is how it pertains to girls, and it is similar with boys. When it is a biological problem, and treated with hormone therapy it can be balanced. Why is that so difficult to understand.

Had I been the parent of a child with these tendancies (as this young boy), I would allow it to take it's course. IF it was a case of imbalanced hormone levels, I would seek medical hormone therapy to balance and correct it the levels.

There is NO WAY I would pacify my child to change identity ESPECIALLY as a minor.
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Now we have entered territory in which I am more than a little bit knowledgeable. I have PCOS. It is not the same thing, not at all. The elevated androgen levels in PCOS occur in adulthood and in no way affect one's gender identity. I am firmly aware of my gender and have never questioned it. I am 100% female.
You twisted my post to suit your theory. tsk tsk.
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Old 05-21-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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What theory do you think I have and how exactly did I twist your post? You brought up PCOS, and I would like you to flesh out how it and GID are related. I am very interested in your perspective.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:05 PM
 
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You don't 'grow out of' being transgendered just as you don't grow out of most medical disorders. Gender role reversal and being transgendered are not even closely related.

Oh, you're bi-polar? Ah...you will grow out of it. Just keep telling yourself you are normal and it will just pass by. Now go on and play...sweep it under the rug and supress your emotions.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:53 PM
 
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Yeah, I don't agree that it's a whim or a phase. It's not a simple insistence that the kid would or would not like to wear a dress. I took Human Sexuality in college, and three transgendered people came to talk to us. All of them spoke of knowing something was wrong from a young age and the confusion and profound unhappiness they went through during adolescence. One of them hated her male body so much that she mutilated herself (himself, then--she was post-op).

This disorder can't simply be disciplined away in some cases.
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Old 05-21-2009, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Yeah, I don't agree that it's a whim or a phase. It's not a simple insistence that the kid would or would not like to wear a dress. I took Human Sexuality in college, and three transgendered people came to talk to us. All of them spoke of knowing something was wrong from a young age and the confusion and profound unhappiness they went through during adolescence. One of them hated her male body so much that she mutilated herself (himself, then--she was post-op).

This disorder can't simply be disciplined away in some cases.

Exactly...it is not your typical tomboy behavior...When you have a 2.5 year old tucking his penis between his legs because he hates it...and it encompases every aspect of his life...I think it is more then a 'phase' he will grow out of...
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Old 05-21-2009, 05:22 PM
 
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Exactly...it is not your typical tomboy behavior...When you have a 2.5 year old tucking his penis between his legs because he hates it...and it encompases every aspect of his life...I think it is more then a 'phase' he will grow out of...

Good to hear some people who understand these children
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