Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Parenting
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: If a child is tought two languages simultaneously, will he/she confuse them?
Most likely, yes 2 8.33%
Most likely, no 22 91.67%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-22-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
4,280 posts, read 6,084,924 times
Reputation: 3924

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by lkb0714 View Post
Except that if they are school age they have already acquired one language. And please read up, try googling if nothing else Language sensitive period, the majority of language acquisition actually occurs before the age of 3 and is basically over by age 6.

Not for nothing, hearing Spanish at home and then learning English at school IS THE DEFINITION OF ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE. And what you keep describing is children who have gotten through the sensitive period learning one language solely and then learning English aka ESL. To be truly bilingual, children have to acquire two languages basically from birth until age 6.
I don't believe this is true. My grandpa grew up speaking Finnish and didn't learn English until he went to school. He continued speaking only Finnish with his family and English in other situations. He was bilingual and actually ended up speaking English much better than Finnish despite learning it at a later age.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-22-2012, 11:26 AM
 
16,825 posts, read 17,728,104 times
Reputation: 20852
Quote:
Originally Posted by psr13 View Post
I don't believe this is true. My grandpa grew up speaking Finnish and didn't learn English until he went to school. He continued speaking only Finnish with his family and English in other situations. He was bilingual and actually ended up speaking English much better than Finnish despite learning it at a later age.
I didn't say you couldn't be fluent in a language, just that most people cannot be truly bilingual.

I am fluent in another language as well, which I also did not learn until I was 10 or so. I speak it well, but I do not think, dream, or otherwise demonstrate the true bilingualism that my siblings have.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2012, 12:32 PM
 
18,836 posts, read 37,357,132 times
Reputation: 26469
I would say I am "bi-lingual", but not fluent. My son, spent two years in Central Mexico, he is bi lingual and fluent.

It is different learning Spanish when you don't live in a Spanish speaking culture. And I myself, know Spanish...but don't speak it very often. I am more receptive than expressive, meaning I understand more than I can speak.

I am third generation Mexican...my Grandmother is from Mexico. My Mom speaks some Spanish, I speak some...but every generation, it is more diluted...my daughter speaks almost none.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-22-2012, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Liberal Coast
4,280 posts, read 6,084,924 times
Reputation: 3924
Quote:
Originally Posted by lkb0714 View Post
I didn't say you couldn't be fluent in a language, just that most people cannot be truly bilingual.

I am fluent in another language as well, which I also did not learn until I was 10 or so. I speak it well, but I do not think, dream, or otherwise demonstrate the true bilingualism that my siblings have.
He was bilingual, and he didn't even start to learn English until probably a later 6 since kids didn't go to kindergarten in his day. Shoot, I often dream and think in Spanish and Mandarin which I am not even close to fluent in (and didn't start learning until high school and adulthood.)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-23-2012, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Northern California
970 posts, read 2,213,082 times
Reputation: 1401
Quote:
Originally Posted by lkb0714 View Post
I didn't say you couldn't be fluent in a language, just that most people cannot be truly bilingual.

I am fluent in another language as well, which I also did not learn until I was 10 or so. I speak it well, but I do not think, dream, or otherwise demonstrate the true bilingualism that my siblings have.
It is easier to learn languages when you are young, but plenty of people pick up a second language as an older child or even an adult. I know several people who learned another language as an adult (read, write, speak, think, etc). They all said it had nothing to do with ability; you simply have to have the desire to become truly bilingual (or multilingual).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-23-2012, 02:28 PM
 
16,825 posts, read 17,728,104 times
Reputation: 20852
Quote:
Originally Posted by passwithoutatrace View Post
It is easier to learn languages when you are young, but plenty of people pick up a second language as an older child or even an adult. I know several people who learned another language as an adult (read, write, speak, think, etc). They all said it had nothing to do with ability; you simply have to have the desire to become truly bilingual (or multilingual).
Then they are the exception and not the rule because the research shows that without a natural linguistic ability and/or being bilingual already, the brain becomes linguistically hardwired and it become very difficult to become truly fluent in a language let alone "bi-lingual".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-23-2012, 02:57 PM
 
Location: You know... That place
1,899 posts, read 2,851,056 times
Reputation: 2060
I became very fluent in my second language as a teen. At this point, I consider myself bi-lingual. I can speak, read, write and understand both English and Sarcasm. In fact, I believe that some days Sarcasm is my more dominant language.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-23-2012, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Northern California
970 posts, read 2,213,082 times
Reputation: 1401
Quote:
Originally Posted by lkb0714 View Post
Then they are the exception and not the rule because the research shows that without a natural linguistic ability and/or being bilingual already, the brain becomes linguistically hardwired and it become very difficult to become truly fluent in a language let alone "bi-lingual".
Source?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-23-2012, 05:28 PM
 
16,825 posts, read 17,728,104 times
Reputation: 20852
Quote:
Originally Posted by passwithoutatrace View Post
Source?
How about the one I already posted earlier in the thread?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-23-2012, 07:33 PM
 
32,516 posts, read 37,168,702 times
Reputation: 32581
Quote:
Originally Posted by num1baby View Post
I became very fluent in my second language as a teen. At this point, I consider myself bi-lingual. I can speak, read, write and understand both English and Sarcasm. In fact, I believe that some days Sarcasm is my more dominant language.
Excellent.

Sarcasm should not be allowed to die out as a language.

To paraphrase Dolly Levi: Languages are like money and manure. They're no good unless you spread them around.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Parenting
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:55 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top