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Old 05-26-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by scottzilla View Post
Or act like adults.
oh you can't help it. not your fault, don't worry

 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:27 AM
 
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If you don't consider yourself anti-child then you are in some serious denial. Read your own posts again.
agreed. rugrat (meaning: does not like children)
 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Long Island/Suburban Buffalo
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ooh...another swipe at Long Island!!! Can you at least try to come up with something original? In this part of the world we marry outside our immediate family...so maybe that's why you're having trouble understanding all of this.
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Believe me the community I grew in was much better educated than the communities many of the nasty posters from this board are from. Just another example of how isolated and ignorant some Long Islanders are about other parts of the country.
 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:32 AM
 
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I love children..well behaved children who know how to properly behave. Of course, that does not mean I want to hear your little darling while Im having dinner in a nice restaurant..or in a theater...or at a wedding. Sorry you are wrong foisting your brood on others.
 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:33 AM
 
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No one is being nasty. Just informing you that your children are not welcome at adult venues.
 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Long Island/Suburban Buffalo
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agreed. rugrat (meaning: does not like children)
"Breeder" also, I find that highly offensive and dehumanizing.
 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:37 AM
 
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As a father of a 16 month old you would expect me to come here and defend parents with children in this scenario but I won't. When my wife and I take our son out to eat we understand that in order to keep him behaved we are going to have to sacrifice our enjoyability at meal time immeasurably, to the point where it's not even worth it to go out to eat often. Most parents with kids who act up can be directly attributed to lazy, neglectful parenting. When we are out with our son , one of our hands is always moving. Helping him feed himself, wiping up after his small spills, picking up food thats fallen on floor alongside his highchair. In addition to that constant attention is required. There is no break, no lull in the action. Sugar packs, utensils, jelly packs, napkins all can be utuilized as distractions and must constantly be handed to explained to the child in the periods of quick lull when the child isnt eating. ALL OF THIS AND THEN SOME IS REQUIRED TO KEEP A CHILD IN LINE.. Some days are better than others, but eating out with a kid is akin to running a 100m dash and starting 10 meters behind. As a father myself anytime i hear a parent say "WELL UMM.. THEY ARE KIDS AND THATS WHAT KIDS DO, OR WHY DONT YOU TRY THIS WITH KIDS" I understand that these parents miss teh point and their kids will probably grow up to be as selfish and self cenetered as their parents!
 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Long Island/Suburban Buffalo
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No one is being nasty. Just informing you that your children are not welcome at adult venues.
I agree, I won't be taking my children to "adult venues" like strip clubs and porn shops I think that is highly inappropriate.

We finally agree on something!
 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:37 AM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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so are kids invited or not invited to the c-d long island forum picnic???
LOL.

I think both sides of this debate have gone way overboard on their arguments. Unless you are one of those childfree kid haters who have completely forgotten that you were once a kid who went places with your parents, you can't possibly believe that kids should go NOWHERE. I mean, seriously, citing an overturned display in Home Depot? Come on now.

When kids misbehave, a good parent will be mortified and try to exit the situation as quickly as possible. It's not always so easy to get out of dodge as fast as you might like - groceries need to be paid for, dinner bills need to be settled. Waitstaff really hate it when you just run out on a tab. It's also a little silly to think that parents should get a sitter for everything they might need to get done outside the house. Kid screaming in the dry cleaners hurting your ears? Get over it, it's 1 minute out of your life and mom doesn't like it any better but she can't get a sitter for every dinky errand she needs to run. And yes, sometimes we parents DO miscalculate and try to get too much done with cranky kids in tow. Our bad.

It's also important for kids to get out in the world and see how to interact with the general public otherwise how do they learn to do it? We were walking out of a store the other day and my DS didn't hold the door for the person behind him....I ran back and grabbed the door and explained that he needs to watch for people behind him and hold the door.

Another time I was at the store with my other DS, who is struggling with math. I had picked up a few items and calculated how much it would be. Got to the register and I knew I was being overcharged. Told the checkout guy, who argued me but checked the receipt. Sure, enough, a couple of things were scanned twice. He re-did the order. After we left I explained to my son that this is why they teach them things like estimating in math and why it's important to have your addition, multiplication, etc, down pat because you really do use it every day. I could see by the look on his face that he "got it".

You can leave your kids home and be happy they will never "bother" anyone else, but the truth is some people are bothered by everything and kids are an easy target. Some people see them and immediately assume there is going to be trouble and can't or won't change that assumption. But I think if you can't let your kids have interactions in appropriate venues for their ages (and I guess some people will disagree on even what that means) then you are going to end up with kids who are crippled as young adults because they can't handle anything that life throws at them.
 
Old 05-26-2010, 09:46 AM
 
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As a father of a 16 month old you would expect me to come here and defend parents with children in this scenario but I won't. When my wife and I take our son out to eat we understand that in order to keep him behaved we are going to have to sacrifice our enjoyability at meal time immeasurably, to the point where it's not even worth it to go out to eat often. Most parents with kids who act up can be directly attributed to lazy, neglectful parenting. When we are out with our son , one of our hands is always moving. Helping him feed himself, wiping up after his small spills, picking up food thats fallen on floor alongside his highchair. In addition to that constant attention is required. There is no break, no lull in the action. Sugar packs, utensils, jelly packs, napkins all can be utuilized as distractions and must constantly be handed to explained to the child in the periods of quick lull when the child isnt eating. ALL OF THIS AND THEN SOME IS REQUIRED TO KEEP A CHILD IN LINE.. Some days are better than others, but eating out with a kid is akin to running a 100m dash and starting 10 meters behind. As a father myself anytime i hear a parent say "WELL UMM.. THEY ARE KIDS AND THATS WHAT KIDS DO, OR WHY DONT YOU TRY THIS WITH KIDS" I understand that these parents miss teh point and their kids will probably grow up to be as selfish and self cenetered as their parents!

Nice post but wait until your kid is 2,3,4... You'll see, trust me. Your kid will act up-guaranteed. When this does happen you really shouldn't be so quick to blame your parenting skills. Unlesss you are a bad parent? OK, didn't think so. So good parents have problems with their kids sometimes and you will see how the idiots treat you. Please remember to check back in to this thread with your new perspective.
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