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Old 06-25-2012, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I wouldn't say the whole of Pittsburgh is gentrifying. The Homewood/Larimer area is pretty much stuck at bottom (similar to portions of North/West Philadelphia), and the outer Northside neighborhoods, as well as virtually all of Pittsburgh south of the Mon (with the exception of South Side Flats and some portions of Mount Washington), is stagnant or in some cases rapidly declining (similar to NE Philly).
This is a common misconception on this board... there are only a few Northeast neighborhoods declining on the Southern ends that Border Kensington and North Philly. 80% of the Northeast is still middle class neighborhoods. Northeast Philly is a massive district home to over 400,000 people. To say all of it is declining is wrong.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:21 AM
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Location: M.D. Pa.
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but its also the most Cosmopolitan part of the City as a whole. sure they're are pockets of Blue Collar....as the East End continues to rapidly gentrify the "Blue Collar-ness" is being pushed out.

Oakland, Shadyside, Squirrel Hill, Highland Park, Regent Square, East Liberty, Bloomfield, Friendship....are all the more cosmopolitan parts of the East End. you still find Blue Collar in The Strip and L'ville, but soon they will be devoid of it as well.

South Side Flats is different from the slopes....Slopes and southward are the strongest "Blue Collar" area's of the City....Flats is fully Gentrified.

Also neither SF or SJ hosted Blue Collar pasts either. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh have strong traditions in Blue Collar. Philadelphia started its transition from Blue Collar a lot sooner than Pittsburgh did, even as Philadelphia was in the thick of its transition Pittsburgh was still in steep decline.

So one could argue that Pittsburgh in a sense is still playing catch-up in its transition and that its doing so now since the whole city damn near is going through a gentrification phase. However in places where Pittsburgh has started acceleration Philadelphia has slowed, which has allowed Pittsburgh to catch-up to Philadelphia in key metrics and makes them comparable cities in certain metrics.
They're comparable in certain metrics, for sure. I'm simply saying that Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, while not worlds apart, are not direct peers either. That is not intended as a boost or knock to either city. But when you're comparing city propers/metro areas that are respectively 5 and 2.5-fold apart in size, there are going to be some very basic differences that will tend to push people toward one over the other.
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Old 06-25-2012, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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This is a common misconception on this board... there are only a few Northeast neighborhoods declining on the Southern ends that Border Kensington and North Philly. 80% of the Northeast is still middle class neighborhoods. Northeast Philly is a massive district home to over 400,000 people. To say all of it is declining is wrong.
I said stagnant or in some cases rapidly declining. I'm aware all of the NE isn't in decline, but outside of the areas close to Center City like Port Richmond, I haven't heard of much gentrification either.

Pittsburgh is similar. For the most part, the gentrification is focused upon the East End and the neighborhoods around Downtown (South Side Flats, the lower Northside) as a result, the outer neighborhoods still have the same working-class white background they always do. However, in some places, where projects have closed down, the adjoining neighborhoods have taken a pretty rapid turn for the worse as problem tenants become Section 8 renters.
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Old 06-25-2012, 11:57 AM
 
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This is a common misconception on this board... there are only a few Northeast neighborhoods declining on the Southern ends that Border Kensington and North Philly. 80% of the Northeast is still middle class neighborhoods. Northeast Philly is a massive district home to over 400,000 people. To say all of it is declining is wrong.
Northeast Philly is two part...South of Cottman is definitely in Decline....North of Cottman is somewhat stable for now...I say for now because section 8's progression has steadily crept north up the Blvd. while the "Middle Class" has slowly being pushed further into Bucks.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:12 PM
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Location: M.D. Pa.
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Northeast Philly is two part...South of Cottman is definitely in Decline....North of Cottman is somewhat stable for now...I say for now because section 8's progression has steadily crept north up the Blvd. while the "Middle Class" has slowly being pushed further into Bucks.
People in general are moving further away from the city. Cheltenham, Abington, and Lower Moreland aren't really "places to be" anymore, but they're still plenty respectable middle to upper middle class suburbs. On that token, I think Fox Chase/Bustleton/Somerton should remain ok for the foreseeable future. The neighborhood schools are bad, but the housing stock is decent enough and the inhabitants wealthy enough that for enough families, sending their children to private/parochial schools is worth the cost premium of "staying in the neighborhood."
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:45 PM
 
Location: The Flagship City
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1. Blawnox (With a name like this it has to be the best)
2. Duquesne (The pilsener is wonderful and most out of towners can't spell Duquesne)
3. North Versailles (A little bit of France in Western PA and it is funny how it is pronounced)
4. Turtle Creek (Are there really any turtles here?)
5. Bon Air (It is a resort in Virginia so maybe it is Pittsburgh's resort?)
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Philly
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fox chase/burlholme has been adding people with the avg income also increasing, definitely not being overrun with section 8.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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fox chase/burlholme has been adding people with the avg income also increasing, definitely not being overrun with section 8.
That's "NORTH of COTTMAN" isn't it
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Northeast Philly is two part...South of Cottman is definitely in Decline....North of Cottman is somewhat stable for now...I say for now because section 8's progression has steadily crept north up the Blvd. while the "Middle Class" has slowly being pushed further into Bucks.
I agree for the most part... although Lawndale and Mayfair are holding in pretty well. Mayfair has a REALLY strong community that is refusing to let their neighborhoods go the hell. Will be interesting to see what happens here... also it's a split on where the middle class are moving... some of them are moving to other sections of the city.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Philly
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That's "NORTH of COTTMAN" isn't it
its doing pretty well as far as I can tell. Even Mayfair is hanging in there.
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