Do PA natives consider PA the North or South (Philadelphia: area, places)
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Even though Pennsylvanians think of West Virginia as being Southern, it was the only State during the Civil War to secede from it's Confederate origins of Virginia.
That's not quite true, as most of the state voted to secede with the rest of Virginia. The more populous counties around the northern panhandle however voted for the Union and they held the whip hand, and since the Confederacy lost then it was a done deal.
I'm not sure what's untrue about that statement....maybe just not as much detail?
Perhaps the vote to secede was biased towards the panhandle area and it had more influence, but the fact remains that it was the only State to vote in favor of secession from it's Confederate portion during the Civil War.
Well, no, it wasn't a "State", and most of the counties didn't vote in favor of breaking up Virginia. If you call an election that is rigged to one side an "election", then I guess most every junta and military dictatorship in the world is a fair representation of the people's will. Not even the new state leaders believed that the people had voted in favor of the new state.
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"Now, Mr. President, to show you, and it needs but to look at the figures to satisfy the mind of every member, that even a majority of the people within the district composed of the thirty-nine counties have never come to the polls and expressed their sentiments in favor of a new State.
In a voting population of some 40,000 or 50,000 we see a poll of only 17,627 and even some of them were in the [Union] army."
Spoken by Chapman J. Stuart at the Constitutional Convention in Wheeling, Dec. 10, 1861. Debates and Proceedings of the First Constitutional
Convention of West Virginia, Vol. 1, pg. 376
Even the WV Dept. of Archives and History states "No other state serves as a better example of this than West Virginia, where there was relatively equal support for the northern and southern causes." The Civil War in West Virginia
And to put it in perspective, there was more support for the Confederacy in WV than in either Kentucky or Missouri, which contributed a lesser percentage of its soldiers than WV.
Hello Pennsylvania natives i'm from Illinois and was curious as to what part of the country would you all prefer Pennsylvania to be associated with, the North or South, I personally think Pennsylvania should be labeled as the North but my neighbor from New Jersey says PA is the South, I know some of you will say PA is PA and nothing else but PA did have slavery which gives it southern roots.
Hello Pennsylvania natives i'm from Illinois and was curious as to what part of the country would you all prefer Pennsylvania to be associated with, the North or South, I personally think Pennsylvania should be labeled as the North but my neighbor from New Jersey says PA is the South, I know some of you will say PA is PA and nothing else but PA did have slavery which gives it southern roots.
All the colonies had slavery, so that means nothing. My 3rd great grandfather died in the Civil War a Union POW held at Camp Lawton in GA, a Confederate Camp.
He was from PA.
Another 3rd great grandfather also fought on the Union side, and was at Gettysburg. Also from PA.
PA is a northern state, although some jabroni from Jersey might think PA is South. Directionally speaking it is more south than Jersey, but it is not "The South" as people refer to it.
Maryland was considered a border state -- and most of the residents who enlisted, enlisted Union.
Hello Pennsylvania natives i'm from Illinois and was curious as to what part of the country would you all prefer Pennsylvania to be associated with, the North or South, I personally think Pennsylvania should be labeled as the North but my neighbor from New Jersey says PA is the South, I know some of you will say PA is PA and nothing else but PA did have slavery which gives it southern roots.
Hello Illinois native I originally hail from Erie, PA. I now reside in Atlanta,GA and I can tell you with the utmost certainty that everyone from Philly up to Erie are of the most stringent yankee roots. The defining difference between the two regions is not as simple as weather or not slavery was an acceptable practice among certain people or certain communities. We are more often mislead by the details of the emancipation proclamation and the effects that it had on slaves, immediately and long term. Some slaves were better off living on their owners land and after years sometimes generations of servitude to their "masters" would often develop an extremely unique bond. A bond in my opinion that still resonates within a large part of southern culture. When white supremacy, Neo-Nazism and skinheads was making an ill advised attempt at some sort of resurrection Georgia was always at the forefront of that war of retards and it is a real abashment to what this region could have been without imperial control. And that is imperialists have down for centuries and they are continuing that process right now forcing peasant farmers in the poorest countries in the world off their own ancestral lands which they have lived off of for centuries all in the name of maximizing profit for the big Agricultural business conglomerates. Freedom is a state of mind, not a gold chain or a fast suzuki. Freedom can mean alot of different thing s to alot of different people, to some financial freedom is their key. Yet to the vast majority of people in this world freedom has more to do with a sense of home nad when you are forcibly taken or removed from your own home like many of the early working class citizens (slaves) of the past centuries Freedom meant as much to the majority of slaves back then as it would mean to a homeless person getting out of jail and going to sleep on a park bench. Remember the 40 acres and a mule tale was just that, nothing. So a the local sheriffs would get orders from the federal government to go shut down a plantation the slaves were forced to leave some against there own will, where they were eventually picked right back up by the sheriffs , subsequently fined for loitering or trespassing on private property and detained at a work prison to work off their fines on legitimate state regulated "work camps" such as Insurance companies, Big Tobacco Farms, Big Poultry Farms etc.(Which happen to be the 3 major domestic campaign contribution supporter) Slavery is as American as Baseball and Hot Dogs! Yes it is obvious that over the centuries american society has been forced apadt to less inhumane tactics to subordinate the massive amounts of working class European immigrants that have clawed and clamoured their way(willing) onto the borders of the new world in order to escape the poor quality of life they were desperately trying to leave behind. Honest Abe paints a pretty picture, or rather the press and subsequent historians, that this monumental piece of legislation was intended and did in fact help to integrate the displaced African slaves, in reality the true intentions of politicians involved were to continue to serve the demands of the "Special Interests" the western Euporean Imperialists powers (IE England, France and Spain) which had funded the colonization, or conquering or pillaging of the native populations. Yet the fundamental philosophical difference in these vying superpowers was the questions that arose when developing a basic framework for how the country was to develop over the next few centuries. Was it in the best long term interest of outside investors, Western European Imperialists to devlope an Agriculture based society, which would predominantly rely one the work of slaves, and would naturally place geographic control to the southern portion of the hemisphere which is naturally present a much more volatile environment and terrain to overcome and settle. Furthermore the inhospitable tropical climate to our European ancestors simply ate their fair hair and thin skin alive. It was more practical to base vast untraveled, untamed land by first developing the Industry that would eventually be able to assert control over the entire native population rather than develop an Agriculture based industry that would rely almost completely on the aid and cooperation of the entire native populations of what is now central and south america a battle that the imperial powers knew, at the time, they would have no chance at victory. So over the course of the next few decades or century or so, America focused all efforts on creating and developing the Military Industrial Complex to an astronomically obscene degree. I believe that almost every major politcal move of this great country is essentially an endeavor to stifle the general public naturally humane,good-willed outlook on one another, particularly those from other ethnic backgrounds. And the abolishment of slavery is aperfect example of that, although the outcome of the conflict was ultimately decided by western european hierarchy, the social and economical discourse and backlash that insued from the violence and chaos had to be considered at some point in time, but simply to minimalize the risk of losing the will power of these working class citizens whom are the real pioneers of the west. Just ask George Washington, in his authorized memoir/autobiography "An Imperfect God", he and the author (Mark Crispin?) recount in a real everyman way how the Greatest President in US History virtually deteriorated internally and externally. All of the ideals, virtures and deeply engrained passions which he had fought so hard to achieve had now become a paradox where he felt as if he had created a personal rapture for himself and everyone he was responsible for, which at the time was a whole nation. Outwardly he was blackballed by his piers, most of his close family disowned him and the only ones around him at the end of his life on earth were the female slaves whom had tended to him and his family for generations. Several of whom The President had several illegitimate offspring with. The first county going into Pennsylvania from West Virginia is Washington county. The President was also one of the biggest most successful industrial hemp farmers, and an outspoken advocate of the spiritual and medicinal uses of the plant. Light years ahead of his time.
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