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Unread 03-29-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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But you're complaint is a US issue not just Pittsburgh.....I agree we need to bring more things back to the states instead of outsourcing...but unless we're willing to work for 2-3$ an hour with no benefits....Its not going to happen....
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Unread 03-29-2011, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Philly
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But you're complaint is a US issue not just Pittsburgh.....I agree we need to bring more things back to the states instead of outsourcing...but unless we're willing to work for 2-3$ an hour with no benefits....Its not going to happen....
that's correct. it's more than just labor, it's taxes and energy. as a country we used to value improving our competitive position. we no longer do so. and in case you haven't been watching, our salaries and wages are being devalued. it's less about $2-3/hr than what $12/hr buys. and you'll notice some states have added manufacturing, those states are generally right to work. a few years ago a plant was closed in philly, I forget the company, they were making $22/hr. it turned out, the rest of the industry in the south was making $13/hr. still, when talking about making something like metal implements, labor is actually a relatively small portion of costs. sometimes we get distracted by labor costs and feel like there's nothing we can do, but there is. that said, I don't think any of this has much to do with pittsburgh's so called shrinking black population (I still don't buy 2k as being a significant number) or something to be concerned about. the city does need to attract more immigrant of all levels, the "only the right kind" isn't practical the city needs people living in its houses, cooking in its restaurants, and bringing new ideas and culture just as it had in its glory days
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Unread 03-29-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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Trust me they're finding out about Pittsburgh....

Problem for Pittsburgh and immigrants is not about jobs, or not enough of ones race ethincity being here...

Its access pure and simple, and until recently Pittsburgh just was not conveniently accessible...Pittsburgh was far too Islanded from the Big Gateway cities...Now Pittsburgh has Megabus, but once other discounters come on line offering cheap service to and from Pittsburgh to a host of destinations you will see the in-migration speed up.

Airlines are only significant with international immigration, they really don't help with inward migration from other parts of the US because its usually too expensive for national immigrants.

So Pittsburgh needs Bolt, Chinatown Buses, and an HSR....it needs to be well connected. It amazes me how Central a location Pittsburgh has and wasn't really connected to anything, all those cities Megabus is bringing into the hub along with Chicago, Pittsburgh should've been well connected to already.
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Unread 03-30-2011, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Philly
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Trust me they're finding out about Pittsburgh....

Problem for Pittsburgh and immigrants is not about jobs, or not enough of ones race ethincity being here...

Its access pure and simple, and until recently Pittsburgh just was not conveniently accessible...Pittsburgh was far too Islanded from the Big Gateway cities...Now Pittsburgh has Megabus, but once other discounters come on line offering cheap service to and from Pittsburgh to a host of destinations you will see the in-migration speed up.

Airlines are only significant with international immigration, they really don't help with inward migration from other parts of the US because its usually too expensive for national immigrants.

So Pittsburgh needs Bolt, Chinatown Buses, and an HSR....it needs to be well connected. It amazes me how Central a location Pittsburgh has and wasn't really connected to anything, all those cities Megabus is bringing into the hub along with Chicago, Pittsburgh should've been well connected to already.
I tend to agree. it doesn't guarantee anything but it does make it more likely. Immigration patterns indicate that they have made it as far west as the alleghenies. Pittsburgh added a large percentage increase on a small base but each time that happens, the base is larger. at any rate, PA can only get healthier with two healthy ends. for all the pomp and circumstance around nyc, nys is still a depressed, struggling place.
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Unread 03-30-2011, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Athens, GA (via Pittsburgh, PA)
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I tend to agree. it doesn't guarantee anything but it does make it more likely. Immigration patterns indicate that they have made it as far west as the alleghenies. Pittsburgh added a large percentage increase on a small base but each time that happens, the base is larger. at any rate, PA can only get healthier with two healthy ends. for all the pomp and circumstance around nyc, nys is still a depressed, struggling place.
Actually, New York's unemployment rate is lower than Pennsylvania's, and many of the upstate counties went positive in population growth, even if just slightly.

New York and Pennsylvania are both in a better position than Ohio, Michigan and Illinois, economically speaking.
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Unread 03-30-2011, 07:49 PM
 
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the only reason upstate has a low unemployment rate is everyone left. job creation is abysmal in places like buffalo
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Unread 03-30-2011, 08:13 PM
 
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Its access pure and simple, and until recently Pittsburgh just was not conveniently accessible...Pittsburgh was far too Islanded from the Big Gateway cities...Now Pittsburgh has Megabus, but once other discounters come on line offering cheap service to and from Pittsburgh to a host of destinations you will see the in-migration speed up.

Airlines are only significant with international immigration, they really don't help with inward migration from other parts of the US because its usually too expensive for national immigrants.
Express buses don't bring new residents to an area though- they bring tourists and college students. If someone wanted to move to Pittsburgh cheaply without a car before, there was always Greyhound.
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Unread 03-31-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Philly
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Express buses don't bring new residents to an area though- they bring tourists and college students. If someone wanted to move to Pittsburgh cheaply without a car before, there was always Greyhound.
many people didn't concider greyhound to visit a city because it was A) more expensive and B) much slower. the model was intermediate stops and a hub and spoke system
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Unread 03-31-2011, 09:07 AM
 
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I spent many years living in Philadelphia and for the most part enjoyed the experience! Unfortunately, the city has become largely black and uneducated and the city's image has
taken a dive as a result! I got tired of walking in center city at night and having to be careful
not to get mugged by all the young black hoodlums all around! I lived in South Philly and it was
damn depressing to hear all that loud ghetto music and trash talk coming from these people at all
hours of the day and nite! I finally moved to Doylestown and am much happier! Because its very
expensive to live in Doylestown, I'm sure that will be a major deterrent from inner city blacks from moving in anytime soon! We can only hope that will be the case!
Boo Hoo!!!

Of course there are no loud italians or irish boys talking loud or listening to rap music?? Hell..whites of ALL ethnicities are the largest buyers of rap music than even latinos or blacks.. So stop your exaggeration. I know there are a group of knuckleheads in a lot of neighborhoods and can be a pain in the ***** to everyone but they are not..repeat NOT the majority.

If you like Doylestown then by all mean plant your roots there and stay. Don't even visit the city for plays, concerts, museums, fine dining, etc; if you're so darn scared of getting mugged by young black teens.. SMH
Funny thing is how YOU PEOPLE (People that think like you) think that any blacks or latinos in any darn city fit into some sort of thug, welfare, etc; sterotype. Not true at all I know plenty of people (yours truly included. ) that are doing fine with their lives and have been for quite some time and they have a desire to live in the city and enjoy the amenities, and pay the outrageous sales tax like everyone else. LOL

Most do not desire to live in Doylestown but many can if they chose to just like many of the kids I grew up with liked certain areas and dreamed of moving there one day and...they did and neither them nor their offspring are collecting welfare or commiting crimes or ruining property values. Those same people you speak of can be matched in many areas of Philly (Kensington, Fishtown, Frankford, South Philly) So stop with your exaggerations because they're..HIGHLY EXAGGERATED!!!

I'm sure it's nice for you so enjoy Boringtown!!!
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Unread 03-31-2011, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Springfield VA
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Mapping the 2010 U.S. Census - NYTimes.com

This is an interesting map. Shows all the population increases and decreases across the country. If one were to zoom in PA one would see that while Pittsburgh's black population decreased overall Allegheny's black population increased by 1%. Looks like a lot of black folks just headed east. Look at western Penn Hills black folks left that area in droves as well then you look at eastern Penn Hills, Monroeville, Plum, Turtle Creek and the black population skyrockets.

Pitcarin's black population went up 1825%! Now granted it still seems to be an overwhelmingly white area but a 1825% increase is still nothing to sneeze at.

Oh it looks like Mt Washington's black population went up as well while its white population declined. So black folks are indeed moving to different places versus being confined to certain east Pittsburgh/west Penn Hills neighborhoods. I haven't been to Pittsburgh in years but I recall Monroeville being nicer than say Homewood so it also indicates upward mobility which is nationwide trend.

More black folks (like myself) have moved from the inner city to the suburbs. Although I'm considering joining my white counterparts and moving to a gentrified neighborhood in DC. So in the end places change but black upper mobility is happening. Its a shame that some wanna believe that black folks are only causing problems. The good bad news always overshadows the good news it seems.
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