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Still kind of shocked by the board decision, but I'm sure they have access to more info than the rest of us. One disturbing thing I heard come out yesterday is this talk of the death penalty for PSU's football team. To me it is ridiculous even to bring this up. This scandal has nothing to do with the team itself and everything to do with the staff. Punishing dozens of athletes for something they had nothing to do with would an absolute disgrace. Fire the whole coaching staff if that is what is necessary, but don't destroy the lives of students just to try and compensate for the failure of others.
That won't happen. NCAA already said it has no power here, but the Big 10 are discussing all possiblities of severing ties PSU athletics.
Less likley, but when people from Ohio State look down on you, it puts things in perspective.
What amazes me about the entire situation is how many people had to suspect something was wrong. I read an online post years ago that Sandusky was under investigation for something like indecent assault. It was probably at the time of the 1998 police investigation since the police do not appear to have been involved again until 2009. If I hear about this and I'm only a casual PSU football fan, don't live in Centre County and am not a PSU alumnus, then how much did everyone associated with the PSU football team know? How could they have not at least heard rumors? Do you think the janitors from the 2000 incident never told anyone else about what happened? There had to be at least hundreds of people who heard that something wasn't right. Wouldn't those rumors get to members of the State College Police Dept., the PSU campus police and Centre County CYS? How could Sandusky continue to do these things in the PSU football bldg. and continue his involvement with the Second Mile for over a decade after the first investigation?
There are two separate problems with this situation--
one is Sandusky and his abuse of boys (apparently girls were not a target for his abuse unlike some predators who use both sexes)...
no one is condoning what Sandusky did--but many people are horrified that an organization that supposedly prides itself on honor and doing the right thing was involved in long-time cover up (even aiding possible future assaults) and then someone of the reputation and hero-status of Paterno tries to clean his conscience by saying "I did what the law required me to do".
That is bull...
McQueary has said that he told Paterno exactly what happened in the shower room--
Paterno is the one who equivocated supposedly both to the Grand Jury and when he told PSU president what he knew...
But look at this logically---
how many people do you know in business who can keep a secret like this--NONE
there was incident at my husband's office last year where guy received a personal item via FedEx at the front desk--
the normal proceedure in the office is to open all mail before forwarding it--the Fed Ex guy usually comes at same time every day--
don't know if the item was marked personal or not--
the guy had come to the desk looking for the delivery after it was opened and the receptionist saw it was a gay porno disc--no children --photo of two adult men on case
WHOA--big problem--sexual harassement just from her opening/seeing the item
she told the woman who is head of the HR dept--not my husband who was the guy's boss--
the head of HR told my husband and probably quite a few other people in office--as did the receptionist who opened the package
the guy it was addressed for claimed someone sent it to him as a prank--someone who does not like him because of conflict between their sons who are very competitive competing tennis players
this guy is married with two sons, conservative, religious,
he is an excellent employee--my husband ranked him as one of his top two workers and he certainly never had done any type of sexual harassement toward people of either sex at the office before
that is what he told my husband during their conversation--
that he was a victim of someone trying to embarass him and get him in trouble---that he got an email form the guy warning him he was sending it and when it would be delivered--that is why he was at the desk trying to get the package before it was opened
they checked his office computer--there was some Internet useage at site that had gay porn available--like mega DVD order site--but nothing to show specifically he was viewing gay porn via his office computer--or that he himself ordered that DVD
basically they warned him that what happened was never to be repeated--that whether he had it sent to office or if someone else sent it to him--it had to stop--
no personal shopping of that nature on office computers...
the issue was not whether he was gay or not at least to my husband (although it was to some other office people) but whether they had enough evidence to say that HE was the one who actually ordered the porno DVD vs the truth of his story about being victim of prank--
our state is a right to work state--meaning someone can be fired for anything w/o cause--so the company COULD have fired him but it would have been messy
my husband did not feel like they had any legitimate proof in that direction--
so they warned him
so far no other problems at the office--
buy gay porn and kiddie porn are so totally different in the area of abuse
what Sandusky did had nothing to do with sexual identiy or even sexual pleasure really--
it was about power, plain and simple...
the power of control, the power of abuse, the power of destruction
and the power for his perversion to taint the football program at Penn State and to tarnish Paterno's legacy was what kept the people IN power from bringing the truth to light
the people who are defending Paterno and refusing to see that he bears partial responsibility for this coverup are just like the German people living next to a concentratin camp and having ashes rain down on them yet never wanted to know why...and refused to believe the evidence when brought to the camps...
same way there is still denial going on about the Holocaust--
revisionist history is alive and well in Happy Valley
and there is no way that I believe there were not others who knew what was going on--
this was a cover up from the ground up--more people knew than just high ups at Penn State--
what do you think Mc Clusky's father thought about it--
don't you think he knew enough wrong happened and yet there was no police case--nothing but Sandusky retires...
that is crap...
just read news story on line that radio sports columnist says new info might be that Sandusky was using this Second Mile program to pimp boys to rich donors...
says that two columnists he knows of are investigating that rumor...
there are some sick puppies in the world--
and there are tremendous number of child abusers out there who can function on a very high level within society--
they are the ones rarely brought to account for their crimes
I hope this Penn State problem blows the lid off every one of them
I have some Questions .
Other than 2nd hand information , from another coach , who didn't call 911 is there some fact based information , that I do not see that tells us Paterno knew that children were being violated ?
This Coach Paterno ( I am not a collage football fan ) is a coach of grown men ( students over 18 ) Where did the little kids come from ?
What is the relationship between the young children and Paterno ? Did the parents trust Paterno with the welfare of small children ?
How is this Paternos fault ? Why does all of this come down on him ?
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Agreed. I can't believe people will stick up for this man. He knew horrible crimes happened in the place where he had responsibilty for and did nothing to stop it. That is sick.
I am a PSU grad, and am devistated even as an Alumni that these happened on the institution I so proudly say I was a part of. If I knew somebody was raping children in my engineering lab at night I would do everything in my power to stop it even if it meant I would be kicked out of school.
Joe put his career and his powerhouse of PSU football ahead of morality and humanity. Now as a father I see that PSU football, even though it is huge, is not bigger than the lives of children. How does one look the other way when it was so obvious what Sandusky was doing to children. "Oh, that is just Jerry. He likes showering with kids, hanging out with them at all times, and having sex with them. Oh well. Here Jerry, here are keys to the buildings. Come in here, use it with your children friends, get showers with them, and you have free reign to the university buildings"
Glad he is fired. I am ashamed to be a PSU grad this week. This is a big black hole in the PSU history and going to keep a mark for decades to come. I will say that I never cared about college football. Even when I went to school there. I was one of the very few that didn't go to games or care about a football team. I wanted my degree and get out of Happy Valley. I also peed in Joe Paterno's bushes all the time when I walked home after partying. It was my place I emptied my bladder full of beer before walking on the bike path back up to my apartment. Use to feel shame about it, now I feel proud about it.
I recommend everyone read this story from the NPR website. Especially read the grand jury's report. Also, keep in mind, the university can fire people like Paterno for any reason. He does not have to be proven guilty of anything. Just ask Gary Barnett. @KingKrab: don't be ashamed to be a PSU graduate. You worked hard for your degree.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Anyone connected with keeping this under wraps should not only be fired, but face criminal charges. All of the people crying about Paterno need to realize that football is meaningless...it is just a GAME!!! Children have been scarred for life, and all the Coors Light swilling dimwits in this state can concern themselves with is stinkin' football.
And as for the rioting buffoon students at PSU, all I can say is that it is obvious that PSU admissions standards have gone down the crapper.
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there was incident at my husband's office last year where guy received a personal item via FedEx at the front desk--
the normal proceedure in the office is to open all mail before forwarding it--the Fed Ex guy usually comes at same time every day--
don't know if the item was marked personal or not--
the guy had come to the desk looking for the delivery after it was opened and the receptionist saw it was a gay porno disc--no children --photo of two adult men on case
WHOA--big problem--sexual harassement just from her opening/seeing the item
she told the woman who is head of the HR dept--not my husband who was the guy's boss--
the head of HR told my husband and probably quite a few other people in office--as did the receptionist who opened the package
the guy it was addressed for claimed someone sent it to him as a prank--someone who does not like him because of conflict between their sons who are very competitive competing tennis players
this guy is married with two sons, conservative, religious,
he is an excellent employee--my husband ranked him as one of his top two workers and he certainly never had done any type of sexual harassement toward people of either sex at the office before
that is what he told my husband during their conversation--
that he was a victim of someone trying to embarass him and get him in trouble---that he got an email form the guy warning him he was sending it and when it would be delivered--that is why he was at the desk trying to get the package before it was opened
they checked his office computer--there was some Internet useage at site that had gay porn available--like mega DVD order site--but nothing to show specifically he was viewing gay porn via his office computer--or that he himself ordered that DVD
basically they warned him that what happened was never to be repeated--that whether he had it sent to office or if someone else sent it to him--it had to stop--
no personal shopping of that nature on office computers...
the issue was not whether he was gay or not at least to my husband (although it was to some other office people) but whether they had enough evidence to say that HE was the one who actually ordered the porno DVD vs the truth of his story about being victim of prank--
our state is a right to work state--meaning someone can be fired for anything w/o cause--so the company COULD have fired him but it would have been messy
my husband did not feel like they had any legitimate proof in that direction--
so they warned him
so far no other problems at the office--
buy gay porn and kiddie porn are so totally different in the area of abuse
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Why your husband ever repeated any of this to you, or anyone outside his office, is as big an issue as what the guy did or did not do. I'll take a guess here that I'm not the first one pointing this out.
Why your husband ever repeated any of this to you, or anyone outside his office, is as big an issue as what the guy did or did not do. I'll take a guess here that I'm not the first one pointing this out.
I'd add, it's also a little sketch to put this situation on the internet like this.
And as for the rioting buffoon students at PSU, all I can say is that it is obvious that PSU admissions standards have gone down the crapper.
It really does make you wonder how these clowns would be acting if it was their little brother instead of someone they don't know.
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