do pennsylvania people hate marylanders (York, Hershey: for sale, crime rate, big house)

[Orion17]

Originally Posted by jb606

Please note that I did not say everyone in maryland. But when you come from an area that when you want to properly pass someone on the highway they get out of your way and NOT stomp on the brakes or though orange soda at your car! Look there a jerks everywhere you go but down here it seems that there not the minority. I must admit though I've been cut off by more people with VA tags. I don't know maybe I need to move to the western portion of this state

I need to ask very serious question though, please don't get upset. Where did people learn to merge on to a highway down here? I learned to let people in not block them. I case anyone in here hasn't got the hint I'm not a fan of driving down here.

Since you asked, the thing I noticed since I have lived in PA, is that people tend to stop on the on ramps. How can anyone fathom merging into 65 mph traffic by stopping their momentum.

And by and large people in MD expect drivers to get up to speed up on the on ramp and merge in without much disruption to the traffic flow. No need to slow down and let them in or speed up to cut them off.

If I see a driver is going slower than traffic on an onramp I do not slow down to let them in, I speed up to get them in behind me. I dont force people off the road or anything of that nature. But to expect a long line of traffic to slow down so a person can get in a lane and slow it down further is crazy.

But then there are people who feel entitled to merge in w/o care for the drivers behind them. They just lazily come on over and that is when I notice people not letting them in. In both states.

I guess the big difference is the size of offramps in PA vs MD. MD seems to give a lot more lane for people to get up to speed versus the 20 ft on and off ramps in PA. 83 is my main source of PA off and on ramps mind you.

[BPP1999]

Originally Posted by Orion17

I guess the big difference is the size of offramps in PA vs MD. MD seems to give a lot more lane for people to get up to speed versus the 20 ft on and off ramps in PA. 83 is my main source of PA off and on ramps mind you.

Yes, on and off ramps on certain highways in PA are completely inadequate. They look as if they were designed for horse and buggies. I-76 in Philadelphia is the same way, as are more than a few other highways I can think of. Sometimes I think this is less a function of intentional bad design and more a function of certain parts of PA government being completely underfunded for decades. There's simply not enough money to build things right, though there is significant work being doing to improve certain highways (for example PA-309 in Montgomery County, which had pathetic on and off ramps, and is currently undergoing a complete rebuild).

Orion, if you are now a PA resident, I suggest sending a letter or an email to your state senator, state representative, and PennDot voicing your concerns. I truly believe that if enough people complain then our otherwise visionless and useless elected officials might actually feel enough pressure to do something.

[Marodi]

Originally Posted by BPP1999

Yes, on and off ramps on certain highways in PA are completely inadequate. They look as if they were designed for horse and buggies. I-76 in Philadelphia is the same way, as are more than a few other highways I can think of. Sometimes I think this is less a function of intentional bad design and more a function of certain parts of PA government being completely underfunded for decades. There's simply not enough money to build things right, though there is significant work being doing to improve certain highways (for example PA-309 in Montgomery County, which had pathetic on and off ramps, and is currently undergoing a complete rebuild).

Orion, if you are now a PA resident, I suggest sending a letter or an email to your state senator, state representative, and PennDot voicing your concerns. I truly believe that if enough people complain then our otherwise visionless and useless elected officials might actually feel enough pressure to do something.

There's bigger concerns than a short ramp. I'd rather have them deal with the 25% (or is it 50, I don't remember) functionally obsolete bridges first.

Most of the ramps that are short were built before the modern design codes.

Comparing PA to MD is also a poor comparison. MD is 4th when it comes to average wealth, and has less roads. PA is about middle of the pack in wealth, and has significantly more roads than MD. Also, developers are required to pay for road upgrades in maryland, while not neccessarily required in PA.

[nocturnal rooster]

I liked MAryland better than PA when I lived there if that matters.

PA people proably hate them because they drive too fast and rush them. I have noticed that PA drivers like to drive well below the speed limit. That annoys me a lil bit being a former marylander.

[kayjay5478]

I live around Harrisburg PA and the thing that has kept me here all these years is I am close to everything. There are all sorts of activities and it takes nothing to go to DC, Maryland, Philly or NYC. I love Marylanders but you know what nothing beats how nice the people are down south!!!

[amatrine]

Ill be moving down here from Phoenix in spring. Looks the same situation on the ramps there? Mabey its the same everywhere. They wont move for you in this state either. Too many times I have been forced right back off the freeway because no one will let me in. Or when your on the freeway, they just come over without seeing you, not paying attention or something, and force you off into the next lane hoping theres no car there. No wonder there are always accidents on the freeway here at any given time.

But yeah, I do the same as another poster said. I let people in, but if they are going way slower than me, they can fit in behind me. Mabey they just need to make the turn singal lights bigger with sirens, lol

[BPP1999]

Originally Posted by Marodi

Comparing PA to MD is also a poor comparison. MD is 4th when it comes to average wealth, and has less roads. PA is about middle of the pack in wealth, and has significantly more roads than MD. Also, developers are required to pay for road upgrades in maryland, while not neccessarily required in PA.

What are you talking about? You just proved my point. Whether or not MD and PA are comparable as states is beside the point. The fact remains that our road system is underfunded and inadequate. Your last comment that in MD developers are required to pay for road upgrades also proves my point. Maybe we need such legislation here in PA. Making excuses might help explain things, but it does not justify them. OK, so our on-ramps were designed prior to modern standards, and prior to modern traffic. I completely accept this, but let's get the ball rolling, considering PA is a donee state when it comes to Federal fuel taxes. Let's stop throwing our money away on overly-generous healthcare and pensions for state workers, and let's put the money on much-needed projects.

[Orion17]

Originally Posted by BPP1999

What are you talking about? You just proved my point. Whether or not MD and PA are comparable as states is beside the point. The fact remains that our road system is underfunded and inadequate. Your last comment that in MD developers are required to pay for road upgrades also proves my point. Maybe we need such legislation here in PA. Making excuses might help explain things, but it does not justify them. OK, so our on-ramps were designed prior to modern standards, and prior to modern traffic. I completely accept this, but let's get the ball rolling, considering PA is a donee state when it comes to Federal fuel taxes. Let's stop throwing our money away on overly-generous healthcare and pensions for state workers, and let's put the money on much-needed projects.

Im guessing you work for a private firm and not any branch of government?

I think your statement about helathcare and pensions is a little short sighted.

Coming from the opposite point of view, governement workers are underpaid in terms of competetive salary with private industry.

Healthcare benefits and Pensions makes up for that disparity.

If you revoked those, then government workers would want a higher wage which in turn would eat up the money you desire for road improvements.

Im not saying there isnt a middle ground, but a lot of subsidized health care in government and pensions are being cut b/c of the number of upcoming retirees that will be paid out by these programs.

Really, the issue is the tax base. Cost of living is lower, property taxes are lower, hence you get less amenities and capital improvement projects (i.e. roads etc)

Where MD and PA differ is in School tax. In MD there is one tax, with a % earmarked for schools. But the lawmakers can reduce that % as they see fit by a vote of the state senate or local senate.

In PA, the school tax is dedicated for the schools. People complain about the school tax, but they have newer schools while those not paying a school tax in other states have dilapidated buildings and suffering students.

THis is the main reason I moved to PA... and house prices. I want a good education for my son in a nice family area. PA people should be proud of what they have and realize people moving here is the ultimate form of flattery.

[firefightermom]

My family is looking to move to PA because we can't afford anything in MD. My husband will commute to his firefighter job 9 days a month in Montgomery County, MD, and I will be able to stay home and raise my kids, which I will never be able to do in MD. Are people so against other trying to improve the quality of their lives by moving to a better place? I think MD sucks and I can't wait to get out...but I'll keep taking advantage of Mont. Co's great benefits....just not their overbuilding, traffic, illigals immigrants, etc!! I hope PA bids me and mine a warm welcome!

[Gretchen570]

Originally Posted by RowJimmy

I don't know who's fault it is, but I am feeling for SE Pa in those areas. I drove back from Baltimore from a interview, and use to live in Philly and would take drives south of Gettysburg. It is an urban sprawl nightmare. Who are these people who need to live in two car garage housing plans and commute two hours everyday each way from work. Is there any intelligence there? What a life to live, just to tell the secretary at work, "I own a acre of land in a subdivision on an old farm in Pennsylvania."

Gas is going up folks..go home.