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Old 03-14-2012, 11:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by toobusytoday View Post
It costs $13.50 to obtain a Pennsylvania identification card.
With the new law it's free as long as you sign document that you have no other form of ID.

In April you will be required to show ID but will still be allowed to vote if you don't have one, presumably to make sure people are aware of the new law. In November if you have no ID you'll be able to vote with provisional ballot and have to provide ID in six days to make it count.

Truthfully speaking there is no reason anyone should have any reason not to meet the obligation of having ID or be prevented from voting even if they don't have one on election day.

There are other forms of valid ID like government issued ID, ID from elderly home which will be very convenient for those in elderly care, student ID etc.

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Old 03-14-2012, 11:49 AM
 
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Why should I have to pay to buy some ID ........
As I already mentioned you don't. How can anyone take your concerns seriously when you obviously have no clue what is contained in this legislation?
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: DC Suburbs of Maryland (by way of PA)
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As I already mentioned you don't. How can anyone take your concerns seriously when you obviously have no clue what is contained in this legislation?
Regardless of cost of ID, or lack thereof, no one has really answered the question of why this law was NEEDED. Voter fraud is essentially non-existent and this will cost money to implement -- in the millions.

I thought Republicans wanted to curb government spending:

http://www.paaflcio.org/Talking%20Po...HB%20934-1.pdf

It's a "solution" that's looking for a problem -- plain and simple. It boggles my mind why more people aren't frustrated by the lack of attention to critical issues. Is everyone that jaded?
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Old 03-14-2012, 01:01 PM
 
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Voter fraud is essentially non-existent and this will cost money to implement --

I don't care if there is one person in this state voting illegally, I'm not willing to give up my vote to them.

Having said that I'm not aware of anything that confirms anything about the numbers in PA one way or the other. I know in Colorado they came up with possibly 5K people voting illegally.
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Old 03-14-2012, 01:13 PM
 
Location: DC Suburbs of Maryland (by way of PA)
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I don't care if there is one person in this state voting illegally, I'm not willing to give up my vote to them.

Having said that I'm not aware of anything that confirms anything about the numbers in PA one way or the other. I know in Colorado they came up with possibly 5K people voting illegally.

There have been numerous studies indicating that it is an extremely rare and overstated issue, including this Pew study:

Pew study doesn't show voter fraud | The Post and Courier - Charleston, South Carolina

Obviously, any type of voter fraud is a terrible thing, but we must ask ourselves two critical questions:

1. Does it justify spending millions of dollars on a brand new government oversight program?

2. Will the implementation of required voter ID actually eliminate voter fraud?

I think the answers to both of these questions are by no means clear cut and highly debatable.
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Old 03-14-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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it does annoy me that they're spending time and money addressing something that's not a problem in PA while transportation, school choice reform, etc go unresolved.
That's my feeling on the issue too. I think its somewhat silly because in many polling places, the volunteers already know a lot of the people who come and vote and they also already check your signature to make sure it matches the one when you sign for your voter id.
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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What is silly to me is that so many object to this legislation. I don’t think it went far enough. The original legislation was watered down. I agree with thecoalman: “I don't care if there is one person in this state voting illegally, I'm not willing to give up my vote to them.” Why should I even take the time to vote - if the system is not fair? Without requiring ID; how do we know how many are cheating?

I am a registered Independent. I was a Democrat for most of my life. I don’t care what party you represent - this legislation is long overdue. I am just glad that somebody is trying to do the right thing.
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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If you think nothing can go wrong with this, that it won't disenfranchise people, that it's not a hardship to get an ID, etc, you should be very thankful of your relatively easy and trouble-free life.

Since this doesn't solve any actual existing problem, it's really just a game that makes people feel better at the expense of making things extra difficult for the less fortunate.
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Several thoughts:

1. The people pushing this absolutely have a political agenda and are counting on the fact that a certain percentage of mostly Democratic voters will be prevented from voting.

2. That being said, I see no reason not to ask people for ID, in theory. The fact that the proponents of this have less than honorable motives doesn't make it a bad idea, in theory.

3. The ID needs to be free or else it amounts to a poll tax. Also, whatever supporting documentation is needed to get the ID needs to be free for the same reason.

4. Instead of democrats whining about this, they need to get themselves organized and start making sure that all of their likely voters have the ID they'll need come election day. Time's awasting. Get moving.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:44 PM
 
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certain percentage of mostly Democratic voters will be prevented from voting.
How are they being prevented from voting? You have six months to get it and even a 6 day period after the election if you still don't have one at that time. I'm assuming the state issued ID has a 4 year expiration, if you lived until you're 78 that's 15 times in your life you'll have to take the time to get one. It's hardly a burden, once you have it what's it take about 5 minutes to fill out renewal application?
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