Poll: Would you live in Pennsylvania if it weren't for family roots? (Philadelphia: suburbs, rated)

[pman]

Originally Posted by pghdude28

Philly is the exception. Most of the state is gray, gray, gray. Regardless of weather, everything else isn't too promising. Rather dismal economy (although there's worse states). I'd probably appreciate this state better if I moved and came to visit every once in awhile. It's good to get out and see the world.

travel is good for everyone. i beleive it was voltaire who said we travel to learn to learn more about home (also whereever travel may lead paradise is where i am).. fwiw philly is a big exception, home to a third of the states population but id suggest thay the exception appliew to the part of the state east of the alleghenies including the philly metro but also lancaster, york, and out to chambersburg as well as north into the lehigh valley. incidentally that was the growing part of the state over the last ten years. most places are mediocre but id argue the states worst days are behind it. Philly. hasnt looked as good as it does in some time.

[Truth11]

Originally Posted by pghdude28

Philly is the exception. Most of the state is gray, gray, gray.

It's not always sunny in Philly

[Raena77]

No!!!!!! I need a new state where it is warm!

[thunderkat59]

I lived in a few places in PA during 35 years there.
Pittsburgh, Philly, and Pennsyltucky Amish areas.
I left and never looked back . . .

I would live in the Pittsburgh area again, but If I never see
or hear about Philadelphia again, I would be very happy

[Truth11]

Originally Posted by thunderkat59

I lived in a few places in PA during 35 years there.
Pittsburgh, Philly, and Pennsyltucky Amish areas.
I left and never looked back . . .

I would live in the Pittsburgh area again, but If I never see
or hear about Philadelphia again, I would be very happy

Agreed on the latter

I've lived here for nearly 20 years now,in different towns from WilkesBarre down through Allentown then my descent to Philly And have traveled throughout the state...true there is a variety of landscapes but living here or anywhere can get kind of mundane after awhile.

[pman]

Originally Posted by Truth11

It's not always sunny in Philly

im just adding mass.

[pghdude28]

Originally Posted by thunderkat59

I lived in a few places in PA during 35 years there.
Pittsburgh, Philly, and Pennsyltucky Amish areas.
I left and never looked back . . .

I would live in the Philadelphia area again, but If I never see
or hear about Pittsburgh again, I would be very happy

Fixed it for you

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by Truth11

It's not always sunny in Philly

But the sun never stops shining in New Jersey!

Originally Posted by pman

im just adding mass.

Quick! How many brain cells does it take to post on City-Data?

[boxercrew4]

Originally Posted by bolillo_loco

I agree with both you and Toure, who states he's black. If he indeed is black, I am quite sure that he was discriminated against. Whether he was in a Hispanic section or a white section, I'm sure he faced discrimination. I've seen Hispanics, from all regions of the Caribbean/Antilles, Mexico, Central and South America, including black Latinos, openly discuss and display their hatred of the black man. Moreover, I'm a Spanish speaking white man who's been adopted into their culture, and they often tell me in Spanish how much they hate blacks. This isn't the Latin population trying to get in with whitey because I'm in their world. Furthermore, I've often caught them talking about this while they were unaware of my presents. Hispanic culture hasn't been neutered by the politically correct movement in the same manner it's emasculated whites. Whites also do the exact same thing, albeit it's a bit toned down, but still a problem nonetheless that I wouldn't want to deal with if I were black. Hence, I fully understand why he seems to dislike areas he's spoke of that aren't "diverse." It's simple logic, and to disagree with Toure makes no sense in my opinion.

On the other side of the coin, I've met a lot of whites and Hispanics that view blacks as just another person. Further still, I've met whites and Hispanics that seem to go out of their way to right the wrongs against the black man, which supports the argument of the forum member I've quoted. My only disagreement with track2514 would be that I don't find Harrisburg to be very diverse. We may have the same opinion, but it's the wording I'm not sure of. While I find Harrisburg to have a generous mix of "diverse" people, they're largely segregated based on economic status and predominately skin color. Whether the people choose to live where they do because that's all they can afford or they want to be with others that are of the same skin color doesn't matter because I still consider it segregation.

There's still another side to this proverbial coin, which I brought up in post #41, and that is the fact that the black America, in my experience, has been the worst offender of racism I've seen to date.

Not all of this is outright racism and hating another because their skin color is different. There are a lot of people that don't like others based on culture. Many people get lumped into the "racist crowd" whey they in fact just cannot stand the culture of others who just so happen to be a different skin tone. For the truly racist, culture is simply confirmation bias and icing on the racism cake they find so tasty.

I personally cannot stand black American vernacular. When I hear blacks affecting their ghetto lexicon, in their gaudy attire, and basing their pride on laughable vain customs as they shuck and jive with each other on the stoop of a rundown home in Allison Hill, Harrisburg, murder, death, and mayhem run through my mind because I'd love nothing more than to rid the planet of them. Why do I feel so strongly about this? It's simple. Like Toure, who lived/visited areas dominated by whites, I, a white man, lived in an all black section section of Allison Hill, Harrisburg, so based on my experiences with different cultures and races, I fully understand why he doesn't like areas that lie west of Philly and east of Pittsburgh. It's simple commonsense. Where I might differ from Toure is that the racism perpetrated against me by black America has forever tainted my views about them. I can only hope that white/Hispanic America hasn't done the same to him.

The bottom line for all this racism debate is that nobody ever wants to admit there's a problem or that they have a problem themselves, and using anecdotal evidence to show that there are people that get along doesn't make the reality of racism any more palpable. All of us discriminate to some degree against others based on sex, age, skin color, hair texture, political views, religion, class/social status, income, sexual preference, marital status, and all things that make up our culture and make us human. In this sense, Pennsylvania has absolutely nothing on any region of the world. The only thing that will change whether or not you will like Pennsylvania regarding what was recently brought up would be whether you fit the average demographic of rural Pennsylvania.

As far as staying on the topic starter's original theme, I've already addressed this in post #8 of this thread.

Cheers and thanks for reading,
bolillo

Known hate groups in PA:
Alliance for Catholic Tradition/HuttonGibson.com
Radical Traditional Catholicism
Pleasant Unity
American Family Association-Pennsylvania
Anti-Gay
Franklin
Aryan Terror Brigade
Racist Skinhead
As-Sabiqun
General Hate
Philadelphia
Casa D'Ice Signs
Anti-Muslim
North Versailles
Catholic Apologetics International Publishing Inc.
Radical Traditional Catholicism
State Line
Catholic Counterpoint
Radical Traditional Catholicism
Broomall
Council of Conservative Citizens
White Nationalist
Revere
Creativity Alliance,The
Neo-Nazi
Philadelphia
Eastern Hammerskins
Racist Skinhead
Allentown
European American Action Coalition
White Nationalist
Pittston
Hated,The
Racist Skinhead
Philadelphia
Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ
Black Separatist
Coatesville
Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ
Black Separatist
Norristown
Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ
Black Separatist
Philadelphia
Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ,The
Black Separatist
Allentown
Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ,The
Black Separatist
Pittsburgh
Keystone State Racist Skinheads
Racist Skinhead
Philadelphia
Keystone State Racist Skinheads
Racist Skinhead
Harrisburg
Ku Klos Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Export
Nation of Islam
Black Separatist
Chester
Nation of Islam
Black Separatist
Harrisburg
Nation of Islam
Black Separatist
Philadelphia
Nation of Islam
Black Separatist
Pittsburgh
National Socialist Freedom Movement
Neo-Nazi
National Socialist Movement
Neo-Nazi
East Pennsylvania
National Socialist Movement
Neo-Nazi
Lehigh Valley
New Black Panther Party
Black Separatist
Philadelphia
Poker Face
Racist Music
Allentown
Rebel Brigade Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Ku Klux Klan
Honesdale
Reformation-Bible Puritan-Baptist Church
General Hate
Newmanstown
South Africa Project
White Nationalist
United Klans of America
Ku Klux Klan
York
Volksfront
Racist Skinhead
Pittsburgh

[ElijahAstin]

^PA doesn't actually have all that many hate groups relative to its population. Neighboring New Jersey and Ohio have higher hate group presences:

Hate Map | Southern Poverty Law Center