12-11-2013, 08:40 AM
Location: Northville, MI
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Here is a Plan I devised for Amtrak rail service to the Lehigh Valley. Construction is expected to be completed by 2030 and expected to cost $7.6 Billion. Will rail service to Lehigh valley come back after the Gateway project is completed to NYC? It will after all only be a 90 minute train ride at most according to my plan which is as fast (in rush hour even faster) than driving and perhaps costs less if you include tolls + gas + Parking. Track speed will be 110 mph from reading to Harrisburg (Straight tracks) and 85 MPH elsewhere. Cost will be $ 36 from Bethlehem to NYC, and $ 62 from Harrisburg to NYC per passenger. On the other side, it will also be extended to the state capitol Harrisburg, thereby connecting to western PA by rail via the Pennsylvanian. Tell me your thoughts about my plan.
Lehigh Valley Amtrak Service Plans:http://goo.gl/maps/QPLZ5
12-11-2013, 10:19 AM
Location: Philly
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why do we need another line going from harrisburg to NYP? I'd rather see NY-Allentown and Philadelphia-Allentown/Bethlehem than Harrisburg NY again. Those projects would be far less than $7.6 bn and Philadelphia-Bethlehem is 100% owned by SEPTA
12-11-2013, 11:26 AM
Location: Northville, MI
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Quote:
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pman
why do we need another line going from harrisburg to NYP? I'd rather see NY-Allentown and Philadelphia-Allentown/Bethlehem than Harrisburg NY again. Those projects would be far less than $7.6 bn and Philadelphia-Bethlehem is 100% owned by SEPTA
This route has a very different approach to Harrisburg and connects major towns with sufficient demand for rail service which don't have one. The primary purpose of this line is to ferry people from NYC to Allentown, and Harrisburg to Allentown approaching from different sides. Connection to SEPTA will be made at Reading in the future by extending the SEPTA Norristown line through Pottstown and till Reading. The entire SEPTA route till Reading will be electrified and SEPTA express services to Reading will skip several inner suburbs stops with less demand. The tracks to Bethlehem have been removed and reconstructed into a trail. Reinstalling tracks will be very expensive, and additionally work will be need to done at all stations in between. Also, SEPTA must separately purchase diesel rolling stock for this route. All costs added, it becomes equally expensive.
12-11-2013, 11:42 AM
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I agree with Pman. I go to NYC and Philly a heck of a lot more then I go to Harrisburg. I like the Allentown to NYC portion, but I doubt very much that many people from the LV would care about linking to Harrisburg.
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12-11-2013, 02:10 PM
Location: Philly
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Adi from the Brunswicks
This route has a very different approach to Harrisburg and connects major towns with sufficient demand for rail service which don't have one. The primary purpose of this line is to ferry people from NYC to Allentown, and Harrisburg to Allentown approaching from different sides. Connection to SEPTA will be made at Reading in the future by extending the SEPTA Norristown line through Pottstown and till Reading. The entire SEPTA route till Reading will be electrified and SEPTA express services to Reading will skip several inner suburbs stops with less demand. The tracks to Bethlehem have been removed and reconstructed into a trail. Reinstalling tracks will be very expensive, and additionally work will be need to done at all stations in between. Also, SEPTA must separately purchase diesel rolling stock for this route. All costs added, it becomes equally expensive.
if you gave me $7.6 bn to spend on one big project in Pa it wuold be a new high speed segment between harrisburg and pittsburgh. realistically, I'd restore LV-Philly service via SEPTA's own tracks, allentown-NY service, and Reading-Philly service all before I worried about Allentown-Harrisburg.
12-11-2013, 08:36 PM
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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That Route wouldn't cost 7.6 billion...
Last edited by DarkWolf; 12-11-2013 at 08:46 PM ..
12-11-2013, 08:41 PM
Location: Northville, MI
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Nexis4Jersey
That Route wouldn't cost 7.6 billion...
OOPS
. I meant $760 million.
Correction everybody, Its $760 million.
12-11-2013, 08:48 PM
Location: Northville, MI
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pman
if you gave me $7.6 bn to spend on one big project in Pa it wuold be a new high speed segment between harrisburg and pittsburgh. realistically, I'd restore LV-Philly service via SEPTA's own tracks, allentown-NY service, and Reading-Philly service all before I worried about Allentown-Harrisburg.
Sorry, I stand corrected
. The cost is supposed to be $ 760 million for this project. For some wierd reason, I thought that was equal to $7.6 billion. I am planning a well developed Harrisburg-Pgh rail system as well. Yet to post it though. That one will also be given priority.
12-12-2013, 05:42 AM
Location: Philly
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Adi from the Brunswicks
Sorry, I stand corrected
. The cost is supposed to be $ 760 million for this project. For some wierd reason, I thought that was equal to $7.6 billion. I am planning a well developed Harrisburg-Pgh rail system as well. Yet to post it though. That one will also be given priority.
well, that is much more reasonable but I still don't see a parallel route to harrisburg instead of a connection to philly. more investment in the current route could get trip times down to 75 minutes to philly from harrisburg. 2.5 to NYP.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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