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Ehh. I definitely wouldn't say more vibrant. I've been to Oakland several times, I had a friend that went to Pitt, but I've never lived there, so correct me if I'm wrong. Present day University City is certainly more vibrant than Oakland. There's more than just students living in UCity now and that trend is continuing and there is still UPenn, Drexel and University of the Sciences.
I would consider Oakland having a slightly larger feel though. University City certainly has more highrises but Oakland has more 6-10 story buildings which give the street wall a larger feel.
I'm not 100% that's true. I'm not saying it isn't, but lets make a list. I'll do Oakland's, you do University City's.
I live in the heart of University City and what is happening in my neighborhood is extraordinary. In one crummy square mile is a dozen and a half new construction projects totalling over 3.5 Billion dollars. Cranes everywhere. Massive street landscaping projects, new lighting, new restaurants and retail shops. All these jobs are providing employment for thousands of workers in the 'burbs ... not the other way around as you suggest.
I am also happy for Pittsburgh. I am cheering for the entire Keystone state. I can only hope we will get some good news out of Allentown, Erie, Scranton, Wilkes-Barre, Harrisburg, etc. as well.
This reply reeks of nothing but Blind Homerism....
Let's get this straight... Philadelphia (the City) has a serious job problem all the cranes and Towers going up is not changing that fact... The only serious player I've read about really bring jobs to the city is Comcast... However even Comcast isn't enough to cure Philadelphia unemployment problem.
Philadelphia would be damn near Detroit jobs wise if it wasn't for its Burbs carrying the city on its back...Let's be serious about this.... Even KOP outproduces the city when it comes to Job Density....
I'm sorry but if your city sucks at producing jobs to population, that drags your rankings down significantly in my book. I can't live without a job and shouldn't have to travel over an hr in a reverse commute just to have a decent job, I might as well just live in burbs, which is where most of Philly (outside of the Center City Yuppies) affluence lives anyway.
I like Philly, I do, it has a ton of potential... But you Philly Homers can be a Delusional Bunch, about the current status of Philadelphia and its place in the World....
This reply reeks of nothing but Blind Homerism....
Let's get this straight... Philadelphia (the City) has a serious job problem all the cranes and Towers going up is not changing that fact... The only serious player I've read about really bring jobs to the city is Comcast... However even Comcast isn't enough to cure Philadelphia unemployment problem.
Philadelphia would be damn near Detroit jobs wise if it wasn't for its Burbs carrying the city on its back...Let's be serious about this.... Even KOP outproduces the city when it comes to Job Density....
I'm sorry but if your city sucks at producing jobs to population, that drags your rankings down significantly in my book. I can't live without a job and shouldn't have to travel over an hr in a reverse commute just to have a decent job, I might as well just live in burbs, which is where most of Philly (outside of the Center City Yuppies) affluence lives anyway.
I like Philly, I do, it has a ton of potential... But you Philly Homers can be a Delusional Bunch, about the current status of Philadelphia and its place in the World....
Clark made a very level-headed post. If he mischaracterized your sentiment as "jealous," I'll clarify the record by pointing out that you have a weird chip on your shoulder when it comes to Philadelphia, whatever the motivating factor may be.
University City is taking off. I live close to the Schuylkill, and what was a near-dead zone two years ago has transformed into a lovely stretch of shops, bars, and resraurants, thanks in no small part to Drexel's Revitalization projects. Our recent projects are already seeing strong results, and will only continue to do so in the years to come. For me this isn't a pissing contest between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, as I hold both near and dear to my heart. The only one in this thread who's bashing either city is you.
And really? Philly would be Detroit without its suburbs? Talk about a homer-ish claim. Read the report posted earlier in the thread; Center City Philadelphia has one of the highest job densities in the country. While Oakland is significantly denser than U City, Center City Philadelphia actually exceeds Downtown Pittsburgh by a sizeable margin. Note that I say "exceeds" and not "beats," because I don't see it as a contest. Again, if, for whatever reason, you think those stats are wrong, please post the right data and bring us all up to speed.
Philly job decentralization is no doubt an issue. But it's steadily correcting itself as more and more businesses relocate to the urban core. Yuppies have expanded their sphere of influence well past Center City into Fairmount, NoLibs, Grad Hospital, Bella Vista/Queen Village, even Port Richmond and Fishtown, not to mention the non-student heavy sections of U City and immediately surrounding. That's not even including Chestnut Hill and W. Mt. Airy. Manayunk has been a hot destination since at least the latter half of the '90s.
Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are both starting to really take off. They each have their pros and cons. Spit back at me ad hominem red herrings at me if you must, but this discussion would be much more beneficial to all if you can provide hard data. Better yet, maybe we all can have a pleasant discussion. It's up to you.
Summers you've never been to Pittsburgh you know nothing about Pittsburgh other than what you find on Google and what you read here on CD, and judging by your Deep Homerism, I venture to say you've never been west of I-81.
Market/Walnut/Chesnut have the Bustling pulse of the Fifth Forbes corridors. UCity through those corridors gives off a more "Village" vibe than CBD like a Fifth and Forbes does. Both are very Vibrant, but University city seems a slower pace to Oakland.... Fifth Ave through Oakland @ 5pm looks like NYC with the gridlock traffic up and down the 5 lanes of Fifth Ave
Why can't we for once have a civilized conversation. This wasn't a pissing contest, but you're coming in here and turning in to one.
Hmmm... well, I have close friends who went to Penn State and Pitt, and I've been to State College and Pittsburgh multiple tomes. So yes, I've been past I-81 lol.
If you think those pictures look like NYC than I have to LOL because you've never been to NYC.
Philly has more gridlocked streets than that with more pedestrians walking around.
Why can't we for once have a civilized conversation. This wasn't a pissing contest, but you're coming in here and turning in to one.
Hmmm... well, I have close friends who went to Penn State and Pitt, and I've been to State College and Pittsburgh multiple tomes. So yes, I've been past I-81 lol.
If you think those pictures look like NYC than I have to LOL because you've never been to NYC.
Philly has more gridlocked streets than that with more pedestrians walking around.
I'll post my own pics of UCity later
Please you started this thread as a "Pissing Contest" (as are most of threads you OP are "Philly vs. WhateverCity USA" Pissing contests) because your own inflated insecure Philly Ego can't stand the Fact that Other cities Larger or Smaller may do somethings better than Philadelphia and have better metrics than Philly. I have never read once where you concede that X-City may actually do this Better than Philly, usually you try to caveat the data and skew in a direction that makes Philly look better (which pretty much anyone can do when the data isn't an absolute). Case-In-Point, the whole "When Philadelphia put PA back on the Map" thread.. The title in of itself is incredibly Hubris to the rest of PA .... Seriously love the pissing contest you and the Philly Homers had about Minneapolis, that was classic.
You can't stand that Philly takes a back seat to the Burgh on anything because Philly is bigger therefore it automatically dominates all metrics..LOL...Tell that to LA and SF in CA... Bigger doesn't always equate to better. It was bound to come to this, just based on your OP alone.
BTW those pictures weren't referencing the Rush Hour of Oakland.... They're just merely an indication of the true CBD atmosphere of Oakland.
And if you're going to post pics, I prefer photo's of Market/Chestnut/Walnut/Spruce between 34 and 46 st which are the Core of U city. I dare you to show me something where those street are carries the same Rush-Hour Traffic of Fifth Ave Oakland.
I mean seriously UC main corridor streets are Tree-lined with Single Family Homes and Off-Campus Frat Houses in sections. While Fifth and Forbes through Central Oakland is purely Businesses (Small and Large) and main Institutions.
Anyone who has been in both Oakland and UC and can objectively (this excludes obsessive insecure stat driven Philly homers) look at the two areas will NOT come away with UC being more CBD-like than Oakland.
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Let's get this straight... Philadelphia (the City) has a serious job problem all the cranes and Towers going up is not changing that fact...
Really? Because there are new office buildings being built, bring jobs to Philadelphia. Philadelphia IS in fact growing jobs.
Comcast Innovation and Technology Center- 59 floor office building and hotel
FMC Tower- 47 floor office building
W & Element by Westin0 50 floor hotel
SLS International- 47 floor tower- half hotel
700 Schuylkill Ave- 23 floor medical research tower
Buerger Center for Advanced Pediatric Care- 14 floor medical research/healthcare tower
3737 Market- 13 floor medical research and office tower
Not to mention the slew of other buildings that aren't highrises that are creating jobs like the Krishna P. Singh Center for Nanotechnology, the Neural & Behavioral Sciences Center, and all of the office buildings being built in the Navy Yard.
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The only serious player I've read about really bring jobs to the city is Comcast... However even Comcast isn't enough to cure Philadelphia unemployment problem.
The Comcast Innovation and Technology Center will house 4,000 employees. That is more employees in one tower than Pittsburgh creates in employment in a year. ONLY 1,000 of those jobs are currently housed in Philly and will be moved to this tower. 1,500 of those jobs will be newly created, and 1,500 employees will be brought in from out of state or from the suburbs.
Philadelphia would be damn near Detroit jobs wise if it wasn't for its Burbs carrying the city on its back...Let's be serious about this.... Even KOP outproduces the city when it comes to Job Density....
Center City Philadelphia has OVER 288,000 employees. Not only is it BY FAR the largest employment center in the state of PA, but it is one of the largest employment centers in the country.
With UCity's roughly 80,000 employees, the Core of Philadelphia has 380,000 employees. Only Manhattan, Chicago, San Francisco and DC have more jobs in their central business district. The core of Philadelphia is one of the LARGEST employment centers in the country.
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I'm sorry but if your city sucks at producing jobs to population, that drags your rankings down significantly in my book.
That is definitely your opinion! Everyone is free to have their own. Philly as a metro is VERY good for resident to job ratio however, and the city has been doing a much much better job recently attracting employers and growing jobs.
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I can't live without a job and shouldn't have to travel over an hr in a reverse commute just to have a decent job, I might as well just live in burbs, which is where most of Philly (outside of the Center City Yuppies) affluence lives anyway.
If you had experience or a degree, I guarantee you would get a job in Philly. The majority of the people who can't find jobs weren't privileged enough to get a degree. As far as yuppies only being in Center City, so not correct. South Philly? Graduate Hospital, Queen Village, Hawthorne, Packer Park, Marconi Plaza, Girard Estates, and increasingly Passyunk Square, East Passyunk Crossing and Newbold. West Philly? University City- go to Domus and there are Bentley's and Porsche's parked in the parking garage. Spruce Hill, Powelton Village, Clark Park. Lower North? Fairmount, Northern Liberties, Spring Garden. Northwest? Manayunk, East Falls, Mt. Airy, Chestnut Hill. Northeast? Fox Chase, Bustleton, Somerton.
^ These neighborhoods have homes in the $800k to $1 million and higher.
You do realize that suburbs all over the country are wealthier on average than their city counterparts correct? Even in NYC, LA and San Francisco this is the case.
Also, why is someone from Pittsburgh of all places lecturing the city of Philly on capturing wealth within the city limits? Pittsburgh is majority middle class, Philly has much more wealth within the city limits than Pittsburgh.
Nine of the top ten wealthiest zipcodes in the state all surround Philadelphia, with ONE being in the Lehigh Valley. The top two, Gladwyne and Villanova, are also among the wealthiest in the country.
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I like Philly, I do, it has a ton of potential... But you Philly Homers can be a Delusional Bunch, about the current status of Philadelphia and its place in the World....
No one is delusional. It's clear you're just very jealous or clearly very unfamiliar with modern day Philadelphia.
Philadelphia is ranked as an Alpha- city, which is a very high world class ranking. The other U.S. Cities ranked as an Alpha- are Atlanta, Miami, Boston and Dallas.
The only cities ranked above it, are the Alpha's Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington D.C., the Alpha+ Chicago, and the Alpha++ New York City.
Pittsburgh? It's ranked as a Gamma city, including Detroit: which you so hilariously compared Philly to, as well as MANY other cities Alpha, Beta and Gamma cities (updated 2013)
Any more questions and ridiculous remarks? Or can we keep this thread civil, something you seem to be incapable of doing.
Really? Because there are new office buildings being built, bring jobs to Philadelphia. Philadelphia IS in fact growing jobs.
Comcast Innovation and Technology Center- 59 floor office building and hotel
FMC Tower- 47 floor office building
W & Element by Westin0 50 floor hotel
SLS International- 47 floor tower- half hotel
700 Schuylkill Ave- 23 floor medical research tower
Buerger Center for Advanced Pediatric Care- 14 floor medical research/healthcare tower
3737 Market- 13 floor medical research and office tower
Not to mention the slew of other buildings that aren't highrises that are creating jobs like the Krishna P. Singh Center for Nanotechnology, the Neural & Behavioral Sciences Center, and all of the office buildings being built in the Navy Yard.
The Comcast Innovation and Technology Center will house 4,000 employees. That is more employees in one tower than Pittsburgh creates in employment in a year. ONLY 1,000 of those jobs are currently housed in Philly and will be moved to this tower. 1,500 of those jobs will be newly created, and 1,500 employees will be brought in from out of state or from the suburbs.
Center City Philadelphia has OVER 288,000 employees. Not only is it BY FAR the largest employment center in the state of PA, but it is one of the largest employment centers in the country.
With UCity's roughly 80,000 employees, the Core of Philadelphia has 380,000 employees. Only Manhattan, Chicago, San Francisco and DC have more jobs in their central business district. The core of Philadelphia is one of the LARGEST employment centers in the country.
That is definitely your opinion! Everyone is free to have their own. Philly as a metro is VERY good for resident to job ratio however, and the city has been doing a much much better job recently attracting employers and growing jobs.
If you had experience or a degree, I guarantee you would get a job in Philly. The majority of the people who can't find jobs weren't privileged enough to get a degree. As far as yuppies only being in Center City, so not correct. South Philly? Graduate Hospital, Queen Village, Hawthorne, Packer Park, Marconi Plaza, Girard Estates, and increasingly Passyunk Square, East Passyunk Crossing and Newbold. West Philly? University City- go to Domus and there are Bentley's and Porsche's parked in the parking garage. Spruce Hill, Powelton Village, Clark Park. Lower North? Fairmount, Northern Liberties, Spring Garden. Northwest? Manayunk, East Falls, Mt. Airy, Chestnut Hill. Northeast? Fox Chase, Bustleton, Somerton.
^ These neighborhoods have homes in the $800k to $1 million and higher.
You do realize that suburbs all over the country are wealthier on average than their city counterparts correct? Even in NYC, LA and San Francisco this is the case.
Also, why is someone from Pittsburgh of all places lecturing the city of Philly on capturing wealth within the city limits? Pittsburgh is majority middle class, Philly has much more wealth within the city limits than Pittsburgh.
Nine of the top ten wealthiest zipcodes in the state all surround Philadelphia, with ONE being in the Lehigh Valley. The top two, Gladwyne and Villanova, are also among the wealthiest in the country.
No one is delusional. It's clear you're just very jealous or clearly very unfamiliar with modern day Philadelphia.
Philadelphia is ranked as an Alpha- city, which is a very high world class ranking. The other U.S. Cities ranked as an Alpha- are Atlanta, Miami, Boston and Dallas.
The only cities ranked above it, are the Alpha's Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington D.C., the Alpha+ Chicago, and the Alpha++ New York City.
Pittsburgh? It's ranked as a Gamma city, including Detroit: which you so hilariously compared Philly to, as well as MANY other cities Alpha, Beta and Gamma cities (updated 2013)
Any more questions and ridiculous remarks? Or can we keep this thread civil, something you seem to be incapable of doing.
Dude you wasted you time with all that fluff....This tells the real story....End of Story!
Amazing Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are polar opposites in where the Jobs actually are. And Supports just what I've been saying ... City of Philadelphia has a JOBS Problem! The City relies heavily on Jobs produced in its Burbs!
Wealthiest Boroughs/Cities/Townships in Pennsylvania
1. Fox Chapel, PA - $183,750 - Pittsburgh
2. Sewickley Heights, PA $165,968 - Pittsburgh
3. Upper Makefield Township, PA $163,995 - Philadelphia
4. Upper Uwchlan Township, PA $156,482 Philadelphia
5. Rose Valley, PA $156,042 Philadelphia
6. Ben Avon Heights, PA $151,733 Pittsburgh
7. West Pikeland Township, PA $148,438 Philadelphia
8. Charlestown Township, PA $145,556 Philadelphia
9. Pine Township, PA $143,287 Pittsburgh
10. Edgeworth, PA $142,917 Pittsburgh
11. Marshall Township, PA $128,409 Pittsburgh
So out of the top 11 in the state, 6 are in Pittsburgh and 5 are in Philadelphia, with Fox Chapel single-handedly being the wealthiest municipality in the state. Low blow to go by zip code, everyone from PA knows they aren't indicative of an area.
I just ran the numbers, and you'll be surprised. They are near dead even. CMU is technically part of Squirrel Hill South, but only by a technicality.
Definitely dead even on student numbers, I didn't deny that. I was saying there are more than just students living in UCity now. Like there are young professionals, doctors, nurses, professors, etc. The population of University City is about 79,000, and the one mile area around University City is 116,000 NOT including Center City.
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I'm not 100% that's true. I'm not saying it isn't, but lets make a list. I'll do Oakland's, you do University City's.
Still more I'm missing, but that's a hefty list of High/Mid rises.
I just ran the numbers, and you'll be surprised. They are near dead even. CMU is technically part of Squirrel Hill South, but only by a technicality.
Definitely dead even on student numbers, I didn't deny that. I was saying there are more than just students living in UCity now. Like there are young professionals, doctors, nurses, professors, etc. The population of University City is about 79,000, and the one mile area around University City is 116,000 NOT including Center City.
Oh I can guarentee there are more than 22. My guess would be near 50. I was just going off the top of my head haha.
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