my theory on why PA will grow so much... (Penn: 2013, wages)

[cwa1984]

Just a few corrections here. It's not just DC residents who will move to south central Pennsylvania. Were getting more and more people from Baltimore moving into South Central PA living in York and Harrisburg. Also you'll have people from Haggerstown MD living in Greencastle PA and commuting to work in Haggerstown MD.

The biggest immigrant group coming into Pennsylvania are from India. A lot of them originally lived in NJ and NYC and decided to move to PA because there money went further and they enjoy more country living available in PA vs NYC and NJ.

As to whether or not the population of PA is going to "explode" or not. I'm pretty doubtful of that at the moment. While the areas south of I-80 and east of I-81 are experiences decent growth the rest of the state really isn't. My state would have to be more pro business to attract more jobs in different parts of the state keeping people from moving out and getting more people to move into the state.

[slowlane3]

Several friends of mine from D.C. have retired to the Gettysburg and Carlisle areas. Their pensions are exempt from state tax there. The trade-off is that many PA roads are aged and poorly maintained.

Also, many Baltimore commuters (especially working in the northern suburbs) have moved barely north of the state line (into southern York County) for financial reasons.

[blauskies]

Originally Posted by slowlane3

Several friends of mine from D.C. have retired to the Gettysburg and Carlisle areas. Their pensions are exempt from state tax there. The trade-off is that many PA roads are aged and poorly maintained.

Also, many Baltimore commuters (especially working in the northern suburbs) have moved barely north of the state line (into southern York County) for financial reasons.

Road quality is a trade off?

That's a first

[thunderkat59]

Originally Posted by JayJayCB

Maybe back in the 60's and 70's, but the nonstop suburban sprawl is getting very tiring. We have plenty of transplants down here, wish we had less. I don't want the Triangle to turn into the Atlanta metro.

This.

I watched that sprawl ruin the state, and the reason I finally left. Unfortunately, PA will continue to gain population, but with that will come all that negatives that come with unchecked sprawlicide. Kyle19125 has a summation of the business outlook I agree with on the first page.

[UKWildcat1981]

We have even have NYers in Kentucky. I am moving to Nashville soon, I met my residents in my apartment complex and maybe of them moved from NY, MA and PA to work in the health care industry. NYers are everywhere.

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by thunderkat59

This.

I watched that sprawl ruin the state, and the reason I finally left. Unfortunately, PA will continue to gain population, but with that will come all that negatives that come with unchecked sprawlicide. Kyle19125 has a summation of the business outlook I agree with on the first page.

A little more than over-dramatic. Pennsylvania has sprawl, to be sure, like literally every state in the US. Even so, the state does tend to have stronger local zoning laws, NIMBYism, robust land preservation programs, and dedicates much effort to long-term inter-municipal planning (especially in its urban areas, where sprawl poses much more of an issue)--all of which are significant barriers to widespread sprawl compared to most other states in the US.

It's still far from perfect, but no one would confuse any part of Pennsylvania with the tract housing-laden and highway-obsessed Sun Belt.

[_Buster]

Originally Posted by UKWildcat1981

We have even have NYers in Kentucky. I am moving to Nashville soon, I met my residents in my apartment complex and maybe of them moved from NY, MA and PA to work in the health care industry. NYers are everywhere.

Well, people from every city are everywhere...

I think the main focus of the discussion was NYers who are sprawling outward but still traveling regularly or semi-regularly to NYC. Exurban NY sprawl in PA.

[bradjl2009]

Originally Posted by UKWildcat1981

We have even have NYers in Kentucky. I am moving to Nashville soon, I met my residents in my apartment complex and maybe of them moved from NY, MA and PA to work in the health care industry. NYers are everywhere.

Well it was the 3rd largest state in the country until last year so you will run into a lot more people who have lived in NY over states like New Mexico and Vermont.

[jwcey]

Philadelphia is an awesome place to live. I think it is one of the best cities in the US besides NYC. But NYC is too big. Philadelphia is perfect and close to a lot of other major cities. It may not be the biggest city, but it is certainly the best.

[CCG2015]

I can only see any kind of growth in bigger cities like Philly. I can tell you as a Lancaster native we do not see a lot of transplants here or new businesses coming to town and if they do they dont last long. If we are growing it's from natural birth rates from the locals. we do have some transplants from NY or NJ but not many at all. most here were born and raised here with generations of families here. Its not an easy place to live if you're not from the area and there's really nothing here that would make someone want to relocate here.

Our property and school taxes are outrageous. Im not sure where ppl got that they were cheaper than those other areas. it can vary greatly depending on what school district you live in but they are by no means cheap. I was very naive to the cost of those taxes when I bought my home yrs ago. they go up every yr too even tho they keep saying we'll get tax breaks form the lottery and casinos. Heck even some of the old Amish families are leaving the area b/c of the property and school taxes that they have to pay even tho they don't use our schools.

I didnt realize how high mine were to comparable properties in other states until I started researching areas to move. You are not even getting a decent education for those taxes either. the two lowest performing SD have the highest taxes and I happen to live in one of them even tho I don't have kids so I don't really care about all that. just the cost which is ridiculous. My monthly tax payment is almost as much as my mortgage and my property is very small. I have a friend in Rochester Hill, NY and she pays less than I do and has a bigger property than I have.

There's also no work around here except for the service industry. A lot of our factories that were known as good places to get in are now closed. Kids getting out of HS and college do not have many options outside of retail or food service. Most I know entering the work force are finding they are going to have to relocate to get any kind of decent work.
There's no way kids (or others) will be able to afford the cost of living here on service wages or even what is now the new much lower starting wage if you do find a factory/industrial type work either. the cost for a simple apt is nuts, almost 1000.00 a month. they have to have 3 or 4 room mates just to afford it. I cant imagine anyone coming here without a job in hand but then I dont even know who they would get the job since most local companies tend to hire locals. I think they might be leary of hiring someone not from the area without local references. I wont say it's not possible but its not common. Some professions like teaching you have to wait for someone to die or retire to get in. I dont see a lot of companies relocating here b/c of the taxes and cost of overhead to stay in business. The only kind of restaurants that seem to stick around are the chain types. We've had quite a few new places open up over the yrs by ppl from NY or NJ only to close within a year or so b/c they're just not big with the locals like the chains are.

I can only speak for my area. I don't hear anything major happening in the areas around me either but Im sure there's more in Philly and maybe Harrisburg.