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Old 12-06-2016, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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^^I also don't believe King of Prussia is a large edge city. Heck, I wouldn't even call it a edge city. Now if Norristown, King of Prussia and Conshohocken were all one, then yes, I would say this is a large edge city. In Philly metro itself, Wilmington, DE is a much larger edge city than KOP, and that would indeed be one of the largest on the east coast with a population of 72K. Still, there are much larger edge cities, like Jersey City, Arlington, Alexandria, Cambridge, etc.

As for KOP looking dated, this is changing rapidly. There is over $1 Billion in construction happening currently in KOP between retail, residential and office. The new mall expansion is pretty glorious and modern. Also, they are essentially building a walkable urban neighborhood in King of Prussia with the KOP Town Center and Village at Valley Forge... it's pretty awesome to see. I would suggest checking it out if you haven't.
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Old 12-06-2016, 09:21 AM
 
Location: The Flagship City and Vacation in the Paris of Appalachia
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Why do people always compare Pittsburgh to Philly? I think Pittsburgh compared to Buffalo, Cleveland, Charlotte, etc. would be a better comparison. Philly should be compared and contrasted with Washington DC, Houston, Chicago, etc. I get the whole in state rivalry thing, but Pittsburgh and Philly are just too different to compare and it is kind of like comparing Pittsburgh and Harrisburg. It makes no sense to me and I am sure comparisons will continue, but other than being in the same state what do Pittsburgh and Philly have in common?
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Old 12-06-2016, 10:18 AM
 
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Why do people always compare Pittsburgh to Philly? I think Pittsburgh compared to Buffalo, Cleveland, Charlotte, etc. would be a better comparison. Philly should be compared and contrasted with Washington DC, Houston, Chicago, etc. I get the whole in state rivalry thing, but Pittsburgh and Philly are just too different to compare and it is kind of like comparing Pittsburgh and Harrisburg. It makes no sense to me and I am sure comparisons will continue, but other than being in the same state what do Pittsburgh and Philly have in common?
The commonalities are plenty. Philadelphia is larger but there are similarities between the two. The only thing Cleveland and Pittsburgh have in common is industry and old money. The built environments of Pittsburgh and Cleveland could not be any more different. Cleveland has wide blvds and roads and not as dense as Pittsburgh. Cleveland neighborhoods also lack business districts and brick structures. Pittsburgh is a brick city with narrow roads. Some of our neighborhoods resemble those in Philadelphia. Our highway infrastructure is similar because Pennsylvania was the first state to build modern highway infrastructure between and through dense urban areas.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:04 AM
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Location: Harrisburg, PA
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Why do people always compare Pittsburgh to Philly? I think Pittsburgh compared to Buffalo, Cleveland, Charlotte, etc. would be a better comparison. Philly should be compared and contrasted with Washington DC, Houston, Chicago, etc. I get the whole in state rivalry thing, but Pittsburgh and Philly are just too different to compare and it is kind of like comparing Pittsburgh and Harrisburg. It makes no sense to me and I am sure comparisons will continue, but other than being in the same state what do Pittsburgh and Philly have in common?
I was going to make a similar comment but did not want to offend anyone. I agree, the jump from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia is about the same from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh.

Harrisburg - 493k urban area population - 85th nationally - large regional city. Similar sized UAs are Akron, Des Moines, Greenville, Little Rock, Wichita.

Pittsburgh - 1,719k urban area population - 29th nationally - national city. Similar sized UAs are Charlotte, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Kansas City.

Philadelphia - 5,585k urban area population - 7th nationally - global city. Similar sized UAs are Atlanta, DC, Dallas, Houston, Miami.

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Old 12-06-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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I was going to make a similar comment but did not want to offend anyone. I agree, the jump from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia is about the same from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh.

Harrisburg - 493k urban area population - 85th nationally - large regional city. Similar sized UAs are Akron, Des Moines, Greenville, Little Rock, Worcester.

Pittsburgh - 1,719k urban area population - 29th nationally - national city. Similar sized UAs are Charlotte, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Kansas City.

Philadelphia - 5,585k urban area population - 7th nationally - global city. Similar sized UAs are Atlanta, DC, Dallas, Houston, Miami.

Why do make the assumption that city size should be the poster's biggest comparison factor?

Other than population size (which regular people do not really care much about), Pittsburgh probably has just as much in common with Philly, if not more, than it does with Cleveland. In terms of people, vibe, architecture, neighborhoods. And it has far more in common with Philly than a city like Charlotte or Indianapolis.

People get so fixated on populations, it's pretty strange. Both are big, old cities in the same state. It shouldn't be shocking that some people are interested in comparisons.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:21 AM
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Location: Harrisburg, PA
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Except that population does matter, and is the most important criteria in comparing cities. It is the reason we would not compare cities like Renovo and Philadelphia, which also happen to be old cities in the same state.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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Except that population does matter, and is the most important criteria in comparing cities. It is the reason we would not compare cities like Renovo and Philadelphia, which also happen to be old cities in the same state.
Well you've outed yourself as ridiculous with that. Renovo is not even a place most people in the state have even heard of , let alone the rest of the country.
To you population is the most important. But to people who are not population nerds on city-data, it is probably not. It would make sense to give the OP enough credit that they have a reason for wanting to compare them.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:33 AM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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The two counties that concern me in both metros are Westmoreland for Pittsburgh and Bucks for Philadelphia. Both are huge suburban counties, and causing stagnation numbers for the metro (Bucks is less pronounced than Westmoreland, but Bucks will start loosing population soon I believe)
Although population growth is slowing, Bucks County is considerably more affluent and desirable. Westmoreland has Murrysville. Bucks' closest equivalent these days is Warrington, and there are a number of much nicer places in Bucks than Warrington.

Lower Lower Bucks has declined over the years, but it was never really a "place to be," much like Penn Hills or, to a lesser extent, Monroeville.

Demographically speaking, Westmoreland County is more like Berks County minus Reading, though Berks continues to grow at a decent clip.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:43 AM
 
Location: The Flagship City and Vacation in the Paris of Appalachia
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The commonalities are plenty. Philadelphia is larger but there are similarities between the two. The only thing Cleveland and Pittsburgh have in common is industry and old money. The built environments of Pittsburgh and Cleveland could not be any more different. Cleveland has wide blvds and roads and not as dense as Pittsburgh. Cleveland neighborhoods also lack business districts and brick structures. Pittsburgh is a brick city with narrow roads. Some of our neighborhoods resemble those in Philadelphia. Our highway infrastructure is similar because Pennsylvania was the first state to build modern highway infrastructure between and through dense urban areas.
Larger and much larger are two vastly different things. In my opinion, cities should be compared and contrasted with similar size peer cities.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:49 AM
 
Location: North by Northwest
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Larger and much larger are two vastly different things. In my opinion, cities should be compared and contrasted with similar size peer cities.
I think Philly and PGH are worth comparing for a number of reasons, keeping in mind that some metrics, like cultural output, are better considered on a per capita basis. When it comes down to it, there are some striking differences but a lot more subtle similarities.
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