Lou Barrlestta seeks to run agains Senator Casey (Pittsburgh, California: renter, bankruptcy)

[thecoalman]

Google's Cache from the first shows same spelling error

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...s-senator.html

[Wells5]

That Google Cache was from yesterday. The original post was from 8/30. I don't think that Fisheye is that bad at spelling.

[blazerj]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

Analysis by the GAO contradicts this:

http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

I'm not so sure it does, because it looks like the GAO doesn't differentiate between legal and illegal "aliens" and just defines aliens as non-US Citizens. Then they jump into stats on "criminal aliens", but I think they are lumping legal and illegal aliens simply as aliens and the ones that commit a crime as "criminal aliens".

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimated that as of fiscal year 2009 the total alien—non-U.S.-citizen—population in the United States was about 25.3 million, including about 14.5 million aliens with lawful immigration status and about 10.8 million aliens without lawful immigration status. Some of the alien population have been arrested and convicted of various crimes and incarcerated in federal and state prisons and local jails. DHS refers to these individuals as criminal aliens.

I think this is what the NBC News piece is getting at, which is that nobody has looked at the problems of illegal vs. legal aliens, although logically I'd agree with you that an illegal is probably more likely to commit a crime than an legal immigrant (although I don't know if they are counting the fact that the illegal alien commits a crime, simply by being in this country).

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by Wells5

That Google Cache was from yesterday. The original post was from 8/30. I don't think that Fisheye is that bad at spelling.

The "Yesterday, 02:23 PM " is relevant to when it was cached on Sept 1, up on the top is the date Google indexed and cached it.

It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Sep 1, 2017 04:25:19 GMT.

If you are seeing different date on the top with the link I provided Google re-indexed it and for whatever reason is serving you that cached page. What I can tell you is Google's cache on Sept. 1 is exact same title it has now.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by blazerj

I'm not so sure it does,....

Here is article that tries to crunch the number, one of the issues is the federal data and the state data differs hence the reason he's giving the 7 year and four years. At best the murder rate would be 14.2 for the seven years or a high of 58 for the four years.

Articles: Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do

Let’s take homicide as an example. The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by Wells5

How did the spelling of his last name become corrupted? Was it a computer software glitch or is there a rogue MOD with an axe to grind?

Did I start the thread like that? I have been known to misspell from time to time. I just cannot picture making that much of a mistake; but stranger things have happened!

Thanks!

[fisheye]

Originally Posted by Wells5

That Google Cache was from yesterday. The original post was from 8/30. I don't think that Fisheye is that bad at spelling.

If I try hard enough anything is possible! But I really do not know?

PS What do you expect out of a 'Deplorable'!

[thecoalman]

I'd agree with you that an illegal is probably more likely to commit a crime than an legal immigran

To clarify legal immigrants have a lower rate than the average US rate. Again, there is two main reasons for that. If you are a legal immigrant by default you will likely be educated, no criminal background etc. Secondly the age of the legal immigrant is far higher than the demographic of your average criminal. Most criminals are in the 16 to 25 bracket or whatever it is.

Their children will have similar rates to that of the US population.

[ki0eh]

I'm fine with the census counting where people are most of the time, as it's used for allocation of services and the like. The total population has been used (since the obsolescence of the infamous "three-fifths" for the enslaved) throughout US history.

Several US Censuses now public show my grandparents before they became citizens. Back in the days when some think America was "great," emphasis was placed, through universal education and other means, on people here becoming American. Without population succession through immigration, America declines as Japan now is. https://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/...ing-population

Renters, minorities, and so-called "illegals" tend to be under-counted. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2010-ce...on-minorities/ Hence the Census, if anything, is a lagging indicator of demographic shifts in the country.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by ki0eh

I'm fine with the census counting where people are most of the time,

Just so it's clear what you are losing. PA is losing a seat in the House, 1 electoral college vote and less federal funding that you paid for that is being used to support an illegal population in places like California.