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Old 01-17-2018, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg, PA
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Pennsylvania has three gerrymandering cases going through the courts. Do you think anything will come of it?
The Redistricting Cases That Could Redefine Politics in 2018
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Old 01-18-2018, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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There are also attempts to deal with this by legislation. It's possible the court cases will impact those attempts, either for better or worse. Personally, I'm somewhat skeptical that the courts will definitively end the practice, as opposed to imposing some modifications instead..
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Old 01-18-2018, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg, PA
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I hope they can do something about it. Even if it the case that most of the problem stems from democrats are concentrated into a few small areas you shouldn't need a district shaped like district 7.
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Old 01-18-2018, 07:26 PM
 
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The Supreme Court today overturned a lower court decision to order redistricting in NC with no explanation. That case was 1000x worse than anything in PA. In that one, the guy admitted to drawing districts to maximize GOP gains saying that he thinks it's better to elect Republicans. If that's not a Constitutional violation in the eyes of this court, nothing will be.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg, PA
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I think we're ****ed then. Don't lower courts have to obey supreme court decisions?
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Old 01-19-2018, 04:02 AM
 
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I think the decision in NC was to delay rather than overturn the order to redistrict immediately. Not to say they won't overturn it, but they haven't yet.

Fair Districts PA is doing a lot to change the laws in PA.
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Old 01-19-2018, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Chambersburg, PA
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Maybe laws like these will help cut down on gerrymandering.

Whenever possible congressional districts must resemble symmetrical, monotone polygons with respect to four lines forming a rectangle that encompasses the state.
Congressional districts must be drawn by non-politicians.
Congressional districts must be drawn by third party or independent citizens.
When drawing congressional districts incumbent districts or historical voting patterns can't be taken into consideration except as required by the voting rights act.
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Old 01-19-2018, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Media
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The Supreme Court today overturned a lower court decision to order redistricting in NC with no explanation....f that's not a Constitutional violation in the eyes of this court, nothing will be.
What happened in the North Carolina case doesn’t have much to do with the Pennsylvania case...for a few reasons.

First, as was pointed out above, the U.S. Supreme didn’t render a decision reversing the lower court, it merely put a hold on its decision while other similar cases are waiting to be heard.

Second, the North Carolina case was a federal case that was decided by a U.S. District Court based on districting practices being contrary to the U.S. Constitution. The PA case is a state case that’s being heard by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court based on districting practices violating the Pennsylvania Constitution. Two different Supreme Courts (US 5-4 favoring Republicans, and PA 5-2 favoring Democrats), two different constitutions, and two different arguments being used to challenge the districting practices.
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Old 01-20-2018, 11:41 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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The Supreme Court today overturned a lower court decision to order redistricting in NC with no explanation. That case was 1000x worse than anything in PA. In that one, the guy admitted to drawing districts to maximize GOP gains saying that he thinks it's better to elect Republicans. If that's not a Constitutional violation in the eyes of this court, nothing will be.
The decision concerning NC was to delay a federal court order to redistrict immediately. There was a reason given. There are currently cases that may or may not have an effect on the court order. There was already redistricting ordered & done because of racial consequences of the 2010 districts drawn by the Republicans.
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Old 01-20-2018, 06:52 PM
 
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FWIW, the NC SCOTUS ruling was 7-2.
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