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Hey, we love Glocks in Florida. I carry mine with me always.. It looks good with my Tommy Bahama shirt.
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Juggernaut...thanks, and you're correct...it is a LTCF here. I didn't even realize that I was calling it a conceal carry permit, but that's what happens when you live out on the west coast for several years and then have to come back east! (I'm still trying to get back to east coast normalcy
)
As far as the open carrying, when I said it was legal by de-facto law, I was saying that it's legal. I'm sorry if my rambling took away from my overall message.
The term de-facto simply means exactly what you said..."that if something is not labeled as illegal, it therefore is automatically legal."
I only mentioned that I (personally) would not recommend it depending on where you live. We've had too many issues here in the Harrisburg area with police officers who don't understand the legality of open carrying.
We had a woman here in this area stripped of her LTCF last year because she was open carrying at her kid's soccer game. The parents complained and whined so the damn Sheriff stripped her LTCF claiming that she was "unstable" or some crap like that.
I'm sure most of you guys heard about her...the story even made the national news networks and gained the NRA's attention. You may be able to make the argument that her actions were in "bad taste," but she wasn't mentally unstable or doing anything illegal. But that didn't stop them from violating her 2nd Ammendment right to begin with.
In the end a judge gave it back to her, but it shouldn't have even been an issue to begin with. That's the type of situation I was referring to in my post. They can, and will, hassle you about it in some areas. Other areas though will know the law and/or not care.
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Juggernaut1547
Navygal, good post, but I'd like to comment on a few things.
Firstly, there's no such thing as a concealed carry permit in PA--there's only the LTCF (License to Carry Firearms).
Secondly, open carry certainly is legal for the reason you stated--it isn't illegal. PA law doesn't have to say that it's legal.
Thirdly (and this isn't directed towards just you, Navygal), know the law when you carry, whether openly or concealed. PA is very much an open carry state.
04-10-2009, 10:01 PM
Location: Charlottesville, VA
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NYRed
Thanks Juggernaut...Would **** my local PD off knowing I was able to get one from another state that will let me carry just because I'm a law abiding person instead of all the restrictions they place on me which in effect means I can have one in my house and almost nowhere else...Bet it will not take 6 months either!!!
No problem.
When you get your PA LTCF, be sure you know the law back and forth. Again, if you have any questions, let me know and/or check PAFOA.
NY scares me.
04-13-2009, 01:41 AM
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Navygal303
As far as the open carrying, when I said it was legal by de-facto law, I was saying that it's legal. I'm sorry if my rambling took away from my overall message.
I gotcha. And you weren't rambling--your post was actually very informative.
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Navygal303
I only mentioned that I (personally) would not recommend it depending on where you live. We've had too many issues here in the Harrisburg area with police officers who don't understand the legality of open carrying.
I see where you're coming from. I support all forms of carry, but I also subscribe to the "open carry when and where appropriate" mantra (I didn't come up with that myself).
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We had a woman here in this area stripped of her LTCF last year because she was open carrying at her kid's soccer game.
Did that just burn you up?
She's a member of PAFOA, and her case is pretty well-documented over on the forum. It worked out in the end but is still a great example of the stigma placed on firearms by the general public.
04-17-2009, 02:50 PM
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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Did that just burn you up?
She's a member of PAFOA, and her case is pretty well-documented over on the forum. It worked out in the end but is still a great example of the stigma placed on firearms by the general public.
Oh it did more than burn me up! I was spitting nails for weeks over that. There could have been an entire group of gangbanger punk kids down the road carrying illegally (and knowing this area it's becoming increasingly possible) but they whine and cry about a law abiding gun owner instead. All because people in this area are becoming so darn "sensitive" to anything that offends them.
Personally I think it was an even more sensible choice to open carry versus concealing it. Would I want my purse sitting around with the gun concealed in it, when there are kids all around and I might lose track of it? Of course not. And considering that it was warm weather at the time there was nowhere for her to conceal it on her person.
So she open carried right on her hip where the gun was in her control at all times and there was less chance of any little fingers getting to it. Sounds sensible, and legal, to me!
People don't think that violence could happen at a soccer field? Violence can happen everywhere today, even in our "sleepy" area! I mean who would have every guessed that a nutjob would walk off the street and shoot up an Amish schoolhouse full of little girls? Execution style, no less!
People can live in a fantasy world all they like but this area is becoming increasingly violence and poorly protected. Our police departments are streached too thin and there are too many new gangs moving into the area. Lancaster city itself supposedly has over
700 various gangs now operating there. Everything kind you could imagine. Including the Bloods, the Crips, the 86th Street gang and the Latin Kings. And I'm not pulling that information out of nowhere either...it came from a member of the Lancaster City police force's Gang Taskforce. Harrisburg & Middletown have their fair share cropping up there too. Some are wannabes, but there are plenty that are the real deal. And these group may be small right now, but with the big cities pushing the gangs out and interupting their operations they have to go somewhere. Why not small town America? An area like our where there are few gang task forces, smaller police departments and where we're not ready for them? Sounds like a gang member's dream.
I grew up in an area on the West Shore where you could go to sleep with your doors unlocked. Where camo-clad hunters carrying 22's down the road in the early fall mornings was normal and where the worse crimes commited each year were Mischief Night pumpkin smashings. Now even that town is having it's share of increased violence and crimes.
So I will continue to carry my H&K 9mil wherever I darn well feel like it and wherever I can legally do so. In my gun purse, under my coat or right there where all can see hangin' from my jeans. And the anti-gun cry babies can go jump in the Susquehanna!
People need to stop worrying about the
responsible ,
law abiding and
mentally stable gun owners, and start worrying instead about the fruitcakes, our new gangmember neighbors, the neighbors next door who get into domestic disputes every night and other people in this area that are trying to conceal their illegal weapons.
Rant over.
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04-18-2009, 09:25 PM
Location: Charlottesville, VA
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Good post, Navygal.
04-19-2009, 05:37 AM
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Amen to that Navygal!!!
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Is there laws in PA against owning Semi-Automatic rifles? (we're thinking of re-locating to PA and my husband hunts and has 2 semi auto rifles)
04-21-2009, 08:54 PM
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Is there laws in PA against owning Semi-Automatic rifles? (we're thinking of re-locating to PA and my husband hunts and has 2 semi auto rifles)
Absolutely not. I suggest your husband check up on the laws himself, though.
04-24-2009, 06:50 AM
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y000og1
Is there laws in PA against owning Semi-Automatic rifles? (we're thinking of re-locating to PA and my husband hunts and has 2 semi auto rifles)
There are no laws against owning semi-auto rifles, but PA hunting regulations prohibit using semi-auto rilfes and handguns for hunting. A semi-auto .22 rifle or pistol is not permitted, for example, while a bolt, pump, lever or single-shot .22 rifle or .22 revolver is permitted. The same with large-caliber rifles and handguns for big-game hunting - autoloaders are not permitted.
So, your husband is allowed to own and shoot his semi-auto rifles, but he won't be able to hunt with them.
Semi-auto shotguns are permitted for hunting in PA, so long as they don't hold more than three shells.
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People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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People don't think that violence could happen at a soccer field? Violence can happen everywhere today, even in our "sleepy" area! I mean who would have every guessed that a nutjob would walk off the street and shoot up an Amish schoolhouse full of little girls? Execution style, no less! 
