Philadelphia vs. Pittsburgh (Butler: houses, live in, architectural)

[creepsinc]

Originally Posted by mister brewski

Agreed, nor is it midwestern, or even appalachain (a bit too urban for that, although I'd say it's the closest). It seems to be a unique mixture of all three.

Pittsburgh is the only "big" city within the confines of Appalachia (unless you count Knoxville or Chattanooga), which makes it Appalachian. It's very close to the Midwest, at around 45 miles to the Ohio border, but it's not IN the Midwest.

[FightinPhils]

I always wanted to know why Ohio is considered "midwest." If you look at a map, geographically, Ohio is east coast. Its nowhere near the western states and is a much closer drive to the Atlantic Ocean and is nowhere near driving distance to the Pacific Ocean. Also, Ohio is nowhere near midwestern states like Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, etc. Its closer to PA, NY, NJ, MD, WV, etc.

Ohio is eastern, not midwestern.

[Copanut]

Originally Posted by FightinPhils

I always wanted to know why Ohio is considered "midwest." If you look at a map, geographically, Ohio is east coast. Its nowhere near the western states and is a much closer drive to the Atlantic Ocean and is nowhere near driving distance to the Pacific Ocean. Also, Ohio is nowhere near midwestern states like Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, etc. Its closer to PA, NY, NJ, MD, WV, etc.

Ohio is eastern, not midwestern.

Well, according to the US Census, you are wrong.


Midwestern United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[welder]

The people in Philly think that the midwest starts 2 miles west of their city. 80 miles or so from the atlantic ocean, to them, it starts becoming midwest. Ny'ers, anything west of the Hudson is midwest.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by FightinPhils

I always wanted to know why Ohio is considered "midwest."

Compromise? Land migration? Two hundred years ago, Ohio was the Northwest.

[welder]

Ive only worked in Cleveland. Never really hung out in their bars or anything. But, Id almost say, from the guys I worked with there, they'd be more eastern than Midwestern. I think attitudes and way of thinking is what changes the futher west u go. But considering the US is 3000 miles or so wide, how does Pittsburgh or Cleveland become Midwest? Pittsburgh is like 340 miles or so to the Atlantic Ocean.

[FightinPhils]

I-80 East signs in Ohio say "New York City." How western can they be?

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by FightinPhils

I always wanted to know why Ohio is considered "midwest." If you look at a map, geographically, Ohio is east coast. Its nowhere near the western states and is a much closer drive to the Atlantic Ocean and is nowhere near driving distance to the Pacific Ocean. Also, Ohio is nowhere near midwestern states like Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, etc. Its closer to PA, NY, NJ, MD, WV, etc.

Ohio is eastern, not midwestern.

Ohio is undoubtedly a transition state in terms of character. PA is a transition state as well.
However, there is nothing architecturally about Cleveland that is Eastern, but it has some demographic influence from the east. Cincinnati has a little bit of Eastern-styled architecture, but is totally Midwestern demographically. In my mind Ohio is the Midwest with an Eastern influence, PA is the Northeast with a Midwestern/Appalachian influence.

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by welder

Pittsburgh is like 340 miles or so to the Atlantic Ocean.

And 190 miles from Baltimore and DC.

It's arrogance from certain people from New York and Philadelphia who seem to want to call Pittsburgh the Midwest.

[welder]

That could be said about, well, every state. The differences between San Diego and San Fran, between Miami and Jacksonville, between Seattle and Spokane, between NYC and Buffalo. What state, that has any size to it, not change?