What Presidential Candidate Are You Supporting at the Polls in November? (Republic: house, unemployment)

[dugdogmaster]

1. Small main street businesses would be forced to pay tax rates as high as 62.3% under Senator Obama’s tax proposals.
2. Senator Obama’s tax plan would tax small businesses at a higher rate than large corporations!
3. Taxes on retirement income and savings could increase by at least 33%, hitting millions of seniors when they need these resources the most.
4. 4 million workers over the age of 50 – those eagerly looking forward to retirement – would be hit with increased tax bills.
5. Millions of Americans would only keep 38 cents of every dollar that they earn.
6. Senator Obama’s tax plan would reduce the after tax wages of millions of workers by 17.7%.
7. It will take 227 days per year, nearly 8 months, just to pay your tax bill!
8. Senator Obama's plan will increase the Capital Gains Tax.
9. 97,065 carpenters, 110,908 police officers, 254,992 nurses, 208,562 postsecondary teachers and 237,000 dentists would see tax increases, if the earnings cap was successfully eliminated.
10. 10.3 million workers would see an average of $5,650 taken from their paycheck and given to government programs.
11. Even YOU might be considered Rich.

[Awesomo.2000]

Originally Posted by dugdogmaster

1. Small main street businesses would be forced to pay tax rates as high as 62.3% under Senator Obama’s tax proposals.
2. Senator Obama’s tax plan would tax small businesses at a higher rate than large corporations!
3. Taxes on retirement income and savings could increase by at least 33%, hitting millions of seniors when they need these resources the most.
4. 4 million workers over the age of 50 – those eagerly looking forward to retirement – would be hit with increased tax bills.
5. Millions of Americans would only keep 38 cents of every dollar that they earn.
6. Senator Obama’s tax plan would reduce the after tax wages of millions of workers by 17.7%.
7. It will take 227 days per year, nearly 8 months, just to pay your tax bill!
8. Senator Obama's plan will increase the Capital Gains Tax.
9. 97,065 carpenters, 110,908 police officers, 254,992 nurses, 208,562 postsecondary teachers and 237,000 dentists would see tax increases, if the earnings cap was successfully eliminated.
10. 10.3 million workers would see an average of $5,650 taken from their paycheck and given to government programs.
11. Even YOU might be considered Rich.

Can you please provide links for all information shown like this?

Thanks.

[toobusytoday]

Some of my daily sites to check the spin are: FactCheck.org and this one: Urban Legends Reference Pages - if you look on the left side of this one, you will see rumors categorized by name. This one by CNN is also bi-partisan: Your Money: McCain vs. Obama - Issue #1: Election 2008 (1) - CNNMoney.com

I think it's important on this thread if we site our sources. Also, let's all stick to the terms of service, which means we can disagree with a posters ideas but not attack the poster him/her self.

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by dugdogmaster

1. Small main street businesses would be forced to pay tax rates as high as 62.3% under Senator Obama’s tax proposals.
2. Senator Obama’s tax plan would tax small businesses at a higher rate than large corporations!
3. Taxes on retirement income and savings could increase by at least 33%, hitting millions of seniors when they need these resources the most.
4. 4 million workers over the age of 50 – those eagerly looking forward to retirement – would be hit with increased tax bills.
5. Millions of Americans would only keep 38 cents of every dollar that they earn.
6. Senator Obama’s tax plan would reduce the after tax wages of millions of workers by 17.7%.
7. It will take 227 days per year, nearly 8 months, just to pay your tax bill!
8. Senator Obama's plan will increase the Capital Gains Tax.
9. 97,065 carpenters, 110,908 police officers, 254,992 nurses, 208,562 postsecondary teachers and 237,000 dentists would see tax increases, if the earnings cap was successfully eliminated.
10. 10.3 million workers would see an average of $5,650 taken from their paycheck and given to government programs.
11. Even YOU might be considered Rich.

All of these statistics come off as dubious, not to mention there's no source provided. I'm more inclined to look at a side by side comparison:



"In the first detailed analysis of the Barack Obama and John McCain tax plans, the Tax Policy Center has run their proposals through the Big Computer and discovered that their schemes are, well, painfully predictable. Each would raise the national debt by trillions of dollars. Obama would use the money to provide modest tax cuts to low- and moderate-income people while imposing stiff tax hikes on the very wealthy. McCain would cut taxes a bit for the working-class and a lot for the rich.

Obama, who casts himself as an out-of-the box, post-partisan politician, has put together a fairly conventional Democratic tax plan. Despite McCain’s recent claim that Obama would raise taxes for all, it turns out that middle-class families would do better under Obama (who would cut their taxes by $1000 in 2009) than McCain (who would cut them by only $300). Obama’s generosity comes at a price, however, He’d raise the national debt by a staggering $3.3 trillion over the next decade, and that includes more than $900 billion in promised revenue raisers that TPC could not verify.

McCain, who once opposed President Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cut as a give-away to the rich, but now embraces them, has designed a plan more consistent with the New McCain than the old. It is as Republican a plan as Obama’s is Democratic. The top 20% of taxpayers get a 3% reduction in after-tax income in 2009, while the lowest-earning 60% would get less than 1%."

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/Uploa...teTaxPlans.pdf

Sorry, but no matter how you slice it, McCain is not middle-class friendly.

[dugdogmaster]

Originally Posted by Awesomo.2000

Can you please provide links for all information shown like this?

Thanks.

Right wing, but very well thought out sight, not your typical

www.rightchange.com - Home (http://rightchange.com/issues.php - broken link)

I saw your original post

[dugdogmaster]

Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement


JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.
“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

State of Missouri-Governor's Press Announcements - 2008 (http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXqGMaj&style=Default+N ews+Style&tmpl=newsitem - broken link)

[dugdogmaster]

ACORN - The Big Picture

I'm telling ya, this guy is scary

[Steelers115]

Here is a fact...http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/mccain_wrights.cfm (broken link)

If you dont agree with slavery, and having no rights then vote for Mccain. Very big issue with me, republicans have always been for this BS. This is the kind of sh*t that shut most of the mills in Pittsburgh down, and they moved down south were they get away with paying people 8 dollars an hour, and not giving them benefits. Keep Pennsylvania free, if we make this a federal law i am moving to Canada. Wont have to worry about healthcare up there either.

[wanneroo]

Originally Posted by Steelers115

Here is a fact...John McCain Revealed: Workers Rights (http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/mccain_wrights.cfm - broken link)

If you dont agree with slavery, and having no rights then vote for Mccain. Very big issue with me, republicans have always been for this BS. This is the kind of sh*t that shut most of the mills in Pittsburgh down, and they moved down south were they get away with paying people 8 dollars an hour, and not giving them benefits. Keep Pennsylvania free, if we make this a federal law i am moving to Canada. Wont have to worry about healthcare up there either.

Yeah the AFLCIO is a real nonpartisan organization.

I don't support them and I would be in favor of most of the bills cited as McCain voting for.

Unions are another layer of bureaucracy, corruption and criminal behavior that are a drag on our economy. The quicker we purge them from our system the better for all.

You will have to worry about healthcare in Canada. I have known several Canadian doctors over the years and health care is rationed. Getting an MRI which is simple here in the states, is a long and sometimes fatal for some, wait. Many Canadians come here to get life saving cancer treatment. Often the wait for surgery is 8 months. It's bad news up there. I encourage you to move there so you can experience it yourself.

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by wanneroo

You will have to worry about healthcare in Canada. I have known several Canadian doctors over the years and health care is rationed. Getting an MRI which is simple here in the states, is a long and sometimes fatal for some, wait. Many Canadians come here to get life saving cancer treatment. Often the wait for surgery is 8 months. It's bad news up there. I encourage you to move there so you can experience it yourself.

I'm really tired of hearing this "universal healthcare is evil" mantra. It's completely unfounded and perpetuated by Republicans who work on behalf of HMOs, whose primary goal is to do everything in their power to provide as little care to their customers as possible. I know people dismiss him as biased, but Michael Moore's "Sicko" raises some very important points about the state of American healthcare. For example, based on World Health Organization rankings, the U.S. is 37th. That's right behind Costa Rica:

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems

Canada may not be the best example, but countries like France and England are light years ahead of us in terms of caring for their citizens. The notions of "doctors are paid less" and "the quality of care is sacrificed" are both myths. Especially when you consider the sub-par care 9/11 rescue workers are currently receiving, you know that something is wrong:

"I'll be walking in a memory walk tonight, but I just don't know how many people will actually walk with me," Reggie said of the seventh anniversary of the World Trade Center attacks. Suffering from several 9/11-related health issues, she has to fight for what little healthcare she gets through workers' comp. But in her characteristic way of thinking about others first, Reggie asks that we remember other 9/11 victims still hurting for healthcare."

Healthcare 9/11 Hero Hopes Others Will Remember

That people still deny that we have major improvements to make in our healthcare is nothing short of atrocious.