What Presidential Candidate Are You Supporting at the Polls in November? (Warren: income tax, vs.)

[creepsinc]

Originally Posted by zip95

Threads like this crack me up...Am I the only that notices that the Obama supporters talk about government policy, while the McCain supporters talk about their personal feelings toward Obama.

No, you're not the only one to notice that.

Obama has a scary name. He's never killed anybody from another country that we invaded for no reason. The guy's risky.

[ScranBarre]

I know this usually isn't permitted on this forum, but given the time-sensitivity of this poll (we vote in a week folks) I must heartily say BUMP!!

[KristyLiz]

I will be voting for Obama next week. Although I am fiscally republican, I feel I must vote with the greater good of the country in mind, not just my own pocketbook - hence my democratic vote. Not to mention, the thought of Palin as VP is terrifying!!

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by KristyLiz

Not to mention, the thought of Palin as VP is terrifying!!

Isn't it though? She's a very nice woman with a very pretty face, but inside she's nothing but ugly. It's so nice to know that she "TOLERATES" (she even grimaces to say even THAT) people like me enough to say that she wants to push for a Federal amendment banning same-sex marriages and civil unions. It's times like these when I can't believe that any rational LGBT individual would vote for Sen. McCain when his replacement may very well make her own presidency a "mission from God."

[HappyRider]

Originally Posted by ScranBarre

Isn't it though? She's a very nice woman with a very pretty face, but inside she's nothing but ugly.

Not nearly as ugly as calling the US Constitution a "tragedy". Is there anything he likes about this country?

[ScranBarre]

Originally Posted by HappyRider

Not nearly as ugly as calling the US Constitution a "tragedy". Is there anything he likes about this country?

I didn't hear about this one. Did Sen. Obama say that?

[toobusytoday]

Barack Obama taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago School of Law. What HappyRider is referring to, I believe, is an interview from a radio interview in 2001 where Obama "discusses the failure of the Supreme Court to rule on redistributing wealth in its civil rights decisions."

Obama Camp Lashes Out at FOX News Over Coverage of 2001 Radio Interview - FOXNews.com Elections

"Here are the facts. In the interview, Obama went into extensive detail to explain why the courts should not get into that business of 'redistributing' wealth. Obama's point -- and what he called a tragedy -- was that legal victories in the civil rights led too many people to rely on the courts to change society for the better. That view is shared by conservative judges and legal scholars across the country," Burton said.

"And so Obama's point was simply that if we want to improve economic conditions for people in this country, we should do so by bringing people together at the community level and getting everyone involved in our democratic process," Burton continued.

Much easier to just say that Obama called the US constitution a tragedy....

[Duderino]

Originally Posted by HappyRider

Not nearly as ugly as calling the US Constitution a "tragedy". Is there anything he likes about this country?

Grasping at straws, are we?

That "tragedy" comment was completely taken out of context, like everything else Republicans have tried to dig up on Obama. He did not say the Constitution was a "tragedy," he said a Supreme Court RULING was a tragedy in that it did not address "redistribution of wealth as a civil rights issue."

Obama is talking about the victories of the civil rights movement, and says, "You know if you look at the victories and the failures of the Civil Rights movement and its litigation strategy in the Court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples so that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it I would be okay. But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society.... And one of the I think the tragedies of the Civil Rights movement was because the Civil Rights movement became so court focused I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change and in some ways we still suffer from that."

The entire context of the interview isn't clear, and the sentiment isn't all that different from Martin Luther King Jr., who after the voting rights and other accomplishments of the 1960s civil rights movement moved toward greater emphasis on poverty and economic justice.

McCain slams Obama on 'redistribution of wealth' - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

It's abhorrent when politicians tear down their opponents by deliberately misrepresenting facts. What's more abhorrent, however, is when people actually believe them.

[mdb06]

It's abhorrent when politicians tear down their opponents by deliberately misrepresenting facts. What's more abhorrent, however, is when people actually believe them.[/quote]
Yes, it is. I have been "exiled" from a number of my immediate family members because of my disdain for the tactic of misrepresentation of facts and my attempts to verify the truth. They refuse to even LOOK at the facts. They would unequivacably believe that the sky is pink with purple polka dots if the Republican campaign claimed so. They are in the over $250K bracket, can well afford health care (one is an exec with a pharma company) and are so consumed with the possibility that an Obama administration would not favor them at tax time, that they are unable to consider how so many of the other issues in this election affect so many other people. Or how a Sarah Palin presidency would affect EVERYONE. The situation has caused this election to become very emotional for me, as I believe it has for many people. True colors have come out. KristyLiz, kudos to you. I hope there are more of you out there.

[creepsinc]

Originally Posted by toobusytoday

Barack Obama taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago School of Law. What HappyRider is referring to, I believe, is an interview from a radio interview in 2001 where Obama "discusses the failure of the Supreme Court to rule on redistributing wealth in its civil rights decisions."

Obama Camp Lashes Out at FOX News Over Coverage of 2001 Radio Interview - FOXNews.com Elections

"Here are the facts. In the interview, Obama went into extensive detail to explain why the courts should not get into that business of 'redistributing' wealth. Obama's point -- and what he called a tragedy -- was that legal victories in the civil rights led too many people to rely on the courts to change society for the better. That view is shared by conservative judges and legal scholars across the country," Burton said.

"And so Obama's point was simply that if we want to improve economic conditions for people in this country, we should do so by bringing people together at the community level and getting everyone involved in our democratic process," Burton continued.

Much easier to just say that Obama called the US constitution a tragedy....

Thank you! That's why you're a moderator. Here's hoping right-wing lies and talking points don't work this time around. They're so selective with the "truth".

I wish we could have 4 to 8 more years of Bush. He sure does respect "that goddamn piece of paper*".

I can say that when I'm quoting the President, right?


*his exact words