What Presidential Candidate Are You Supporting at the Polls in November? (Pittsburgh: insurance, income)
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Again I lovingly broke up some of your comments to make some points.
You are not making any points. Right to Work is slavery, those states are growing because of the retirees moving there for the weather, and younger people moving there for the warm weather...and not knowing what they are getting into.
Like i said i would love for you to take off your suit and tie for a week and come work in a mill, or coal mine and still spit out this bs that we are overpayed, and dont deserve the money we make.
You did not answer the ? do you think steel workers and coal miners are only worth 8 or 9 dollars an hour?
States like PA and OH are lucky to have the working rights we have, companys dont get away with the murder that they can get away with down south. I cant beleve that someone can be as ignorant as you make yourself sound. You are obviously so far brainwashed by republicans bs, and you speak of all there backwards views and are for it. Anyone that is for right to work is for slavery. Simple as that.... Are you for working 12 hours without a break? Are you for lower wages? That is a fact right to work states have lower wages. Are you for having to pay hundreds of dollars a month for healthcare? Are you for being able to get fired because someone doesent like something you say, or the way you look?
And you didnt comment on a good bit of my post that you dont have answers for. If you like the right to work bs so much, and are so agenst having rights at work why dont you move to a slave state? What are you doing in a state that was built on hardworking americans having rights, and built on unions?
John McCain Revealed: Workers Rights (http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/mccain_wrights.cfm - broken link) there ya go..Mccains views on working rights and unions, everyone should take a look at this...You must not have searched to hard for it.
McCain Voted Against the Employee Free Choice Act but for a National ‘Right to Work’ for Less Law. McCain voted against the Employee Free Choice Act, which would level the playing field for workers trying to form unions. He voted for a national “right to work” for less law that would attempt to eliminate unions altogether. (H.R. 800, Vote 227, 6/26/07; S. 1788 Vote 188, 7/10/96)
John Mccains voting record, and views spit in my face, spit in my familys face, spit in my ancesters face, spit in most familys around western PAs face, Spit in this citys face, and spit in americas face...yet people around here can still be dumb enough to vote for him.
I know you will say this isent true but i honestly think that the only reason Mccain has a chance to win states like PA, OH, and MI is because of the large number of people that i have seen that usualy vote democrat but will not vote for Obama because of his name or because of his race. If Hillary was running...these states would not be this close. People need to get over his name, and how he looks and vote based on what matters....his views.
Last edited by Steelers115; 09-27-2008 at 03:53 PM..
Another thing that I don't care for when it comes to Obama is his association with ACORN. And the Dems demanding an earmark be placed in this bail out bill for them. Insanity!!!!!! ACORN is dirty, dirty, dirty!!!
McCain didn't really have to portray Obama as naive on foreign policy. Obama did that all by himself. In response to Obama's statement that it might become necessary to send U.S. troops across the Pakistani border to pursue terrorists, McCain scoffed; "you don't say that out loud. If you have to do things, you do things."
"So let me get this right, we sit down with Ahmadinejad and he says 'we're going to wipe Israel off the face of the earth' and we say, 'no you're not!' Oh please," McCain said of Obama's offer to meet Iran's maddest mullah without preconditions.
Obama had some memorable lines in the debate -- its doubtful the mainstream media will focus in on the one that impacted me the most, though. I'll be curious to see.
At one point, McCain told a story about a bracelet he wore. He was given it by the mother of a fallen US soldier who asked him to ensure her son's death was not in vain. It wasn't a new story -- McCain's been wearing the bracelet for years and has told the story many times.
But here is the way McCain told it in the debate, verbatim from the transcript.
And I'll tell you, I had a town hall meeting in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, and a woman stood up and she said, "Senator McCain, I want you to do me the honor of wearing a bracelet with my son's name on it."
He was 22 years old and he was killed in combat outside of Baghdad, Matthew Stanley, before Christmas last year. This was last August, a year ago. And I said, "I will -- I will wear his bracelet with honor."
And this was August, a year ago. And then she said, "But, Senator McCain, I want you to do everything -- promise me one thing, that you'll do everything in your power to make sure that my son's death was not in vain."
"I've got a bracelet, too," Obama said as I cringed in my seat. Obama then proceeded in an effort to out-do McCain's bracelet story with one of his own.
In Obama's story, the mother wasn't concerned with whether or not her son died in vain in a lost cause. All she cared about, Obama said while I continued to cringe uncomfortably in my seat, was, well, let's take that verbatim as well.
"I've got a bracelet, too, from Sergeant - (Obama looks down to read the serviceman's name) from the mother of Sergeant Ryan David Jopeck, given me in Green Bay. She asked me, can you please make sure another mother is not going through what I'm going through.
I thought it was over, but no. Obama had more to say on the subject.
"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided."
Read that sentence again with me and read what it says about the man who uttered it.
It tells me that Barack Obama thinks those sacrifices are made for their Commander in Chief. And that the goals are irrelevant to those asked to make that sacrifice.
It says he sees them as another form of political currency, to be spent or held in reserve as needed, rather than the currency of last resort to purchase what must be had and cannot be purchased at any other cost.
I'm telling ya, this Obama guy scares the crap out of me. I really feel this was a trial run for him, and was shocked he actually got the Dem nod. You should see the Obamanites still praising him as a savior in the Political forum, they're brainwashed.
We've hit rock bottom. I say that every election, but this year is the worst ever and 2004 and 2000 were terrible. McCain has the character issue far and away, but he's old and out of touch. Obama is more of a populist and I like his tax plans, but I can see through him, he's a sleaze. Palin is a ? but I do like that she's an outsider and has some reformer experience. Biden is a flakey jerk and more senile than McCain.
If it comes down to McCain needing every last vote to carry, Pa, I'll vote for him. But otherwise, I'll write in a vote for Ron Paul. But I have never been so disgusted with democrat leadership. They are as out of touch and as petty and corrupt, maybe more, as the republicans were 10 years ago. God help us.
Firm Obama supporter here. I actually plan on doing some canvassing in the near future for him.
Call me the naive and overly-optimistic young person, but I just see much more of America's future in line with Obama. Call him an "empty suit," call him a "socialist," call him a "crazy liberal," but that doesn't take away from the fact that 8 years after a Republican presidency turning a blind eye to rampant corporate greed, we're on a serious verge of an economic meltdown. Combine that with the fact the McCain comes off as a loose cannon ready to fire a missile towards Iran with so much as a flinch from Ahmadinejad, and I actual FEAR for what the future would hold with another Republican president. I want an economy secured with green jobs, not big oil. I want our safety secured through working with allies, not alienating them. Last but not least, I want a president that leads with the strength of its citizens and democracy, not being elected based on "fear" of what would happen with someone who is "less experienced."
That said, I know these political squabbles hardly change anyone's minds -- but I just hope people are weighing EVERY factor this time. Cliche it may sound, but this is really one of the most important elections Americans will face in decades.
McCain didn't really have to portray Obama as naive on foreign policy. Obama did that all by himself. In response to Obama's statement that it might become necessary to send U.S. troops across the Pakistani border to pursue terrorists, McCain scoffed; "you don't say that out loud. If you have to do things, you do things."
"So let me get this right, we sit down with Ahmadinejad and he says 'we're going to wipe Israel off the face of the earth' and we say, 'no you're not!' Oh please," McCain said of Obama's offer to meet Iran's maddest mullah without preconditions.
Obama had some memorable lines in the debate -- its doubtful the mainstream media will focus in on the one that impacted me the most, though. I'll be curious to see.
At one point, McCain told a story about a bracelet he wore. He was given it by the mother of a fallen US soldier who asked him to ensure her son's death was not in vain. It wasn't a new story -- McCain's been wearing the bracelet for years and has told the story many times.
But here is the way McCain told it in the debate, verbatim from the transcript.
And I'll tell you, I had a town hall meeting in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire, and a woman stood up and she said, "Senator McCain, I want you to do me the honor of wearing a bracelet with my son's name on it."
He was 22 years old and he was killed in combat outside of Baghdad, Matthew Stanley, before Christmas last year. This was last August, a year ago. And I said, "I will -- I will wear his bracelet with honor."
And this was August, a year ago. And then she said, "But, Senator McCain, I want you to do everything -- promise me one thing, that you'll do everything in your power to make sure that my son's death was not in vain."
"I've got a bracelet, too," Obama said as I cringed in my seat. Obama then proceeded in an effort to out-do McCain's bracelet story with one of his own.
In Obama's story, the mother wasn't concerned with whether or not her son died in vain in a lost cause. All she cared about, Obama said while I continued to cringe uncomfortably in my seat, was, well, let's take that verbatim as well.
"I've got a bracelet, too, from Sergeant - (Obama looks down to read the serviceman's name) from the mother of Sergeant Ryan David Jopeck, given me in Green Bay. She asked me, can you please make sure another mother is not going through what I'm going through.
I thought it was over, but no. Obama had more to say on the subject.
"No U.S. soldier ever dies in vain because they're carrying out the missions of their commander in chief. And we honor all the service that they've provided."
Read that sentence again with me and read what it says about the man who uttered it.
It tells me that Barack Obama thinks those sacrifices are made for their Commander in Chief. And that the goals are irrelevant to those asked to make that sacrifice.
It says he sees them as another form of political currency, to be spent or held in reserve as needed, rather than the currency of last resort to purchase what must be had and cannot be purchased at any other cost.
You know, like Sergeant Whatsisname.
It made me feel kind of, umm, angry. Y'know?
Me too and I was shocked the pundits totally missed that. I couldn't believe when Obama said "I've got a bracelet too!!". How disingenuous and insincere.
You did not answer the ? do you think steel workers and coal miners are only worth 8 or 9 dollars an hour?
This is going off topic a bit but the best guarantee for secure and high paying jobs is not union contracts. One of my favorite pass times to go riding in the coal country. It pains me to see once proud towns on their death bed. Towns that have everything going for them. Rails, transportation, rivers, people ready to work and abundant beauty. Could unions save them? Obviously not. We are in the midst of the worst energy shortage. Why aren't Ashalnds and Shamokins buzzing with business? Mine workers should be paid their weight in gold these days, not 9 bucks an hour. Could it be that every source of energy that we have is somehow or another off limits? They are either too dirty, too hot, too close or too far. Sure, projects like Locust Ridge windfarm are good but they are nowhere near big enough to revitalize those towns. Right to work does not create jobs. We must look elsewhere for solutions.
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ACORN is dirty, dirty, dirty!!!
