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View Poll Results: Who Are You Voting For On Election Day?
Sen. John McCain (R) 51 35.92%
Sen. Barack Obama (D) 74 52.11%
Other 6 4.23%
Undecided 6 4.23%
I'm Not Voting 5 3.52%
Voters: 142. You may not vote on this poll

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Unread 09-27-2008, 11:28 PM
 
Location: TwilightZone
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And I find it amazing that people will simply vote against a candidate simply because a member of his party sucked as president.
Yes but usually there's patterns
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Unread 09-27-2008, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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I'm a former Pennsylvanian so I voted,hope my vote counts

Short and sweet and I'm outta here,I'm voting for Obama.
So am I. I might as will vote too.
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Unread 09-28-2008, 06:20 AM
 
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We're an Obama family. My daughter and I are doing some low key help with his campaign in our area. My husband is a Republican and each election year he and I canceled out each others vote. This year both of our votes are going to the Democrats along with our daughter and son's.

I like the idea of having a very intelligent, thoughtful president that reacts with his head instead of his gut. Many of the Republicans that I know that were on the fence before the Republican convention decided to vote for Obama after McCain picked Palin. That woman is a slap in the face to all intelligent women out there. It took her 6 years to get through college at five different colleges and she only has a bachelors degree. Have you ever heard her speak?? The idea that it was more important to get a woman who agreed with John McCain's policies then a qualified person (man or woman) just boggles my mind. I'm not even arguing about the possibility of her becoming President, I just can't believe that she's the best person the Republican party could come up with.
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Unread 09-28-2008, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Sunshine N'Blue Skies
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I was undecided.........But, I like that McCain stayed to work for us in this "Money Mess".......That he had the guts to stop his campaign and help us avoid a depression like the 1930's. Can one ignor the fact that a crash would have changed life as you know it now? We almost went under......
I feel safe with him, and after 9/11 I want my family to be safe. Look at that hole of dust, and dirt and lives lost........and don't forget. Its a sad place, and we don't need another.
I like Palin, give her some time to catch up. Strong. I think what she has done for Alaska is remarkable. She's going to be good for the country, knowing how to tell the
powers that be, to go take a hike.
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Unread 09-28-2008, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Lewistown, PA
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As a resident of Montgomery County, I voted for Hillary in the April primary.

I am voting for Obama on Nov. 4. McCain's charge that Obama will raise your taxes is simply not true. Obama said that he will lower taxes for everyone earning less than $250,000 a year. Obama will only raise taxes on those above $250,000.

McCain's proposed tax cuts will give the greatest tax savings to the top 1% of income earners. Those in the middle class will get very little tax relief from his plan.

Our national deficit is already in shambles. McCain's desire to prolong the Bush tax cuts for the top 1% will further increase our national deficit. Not to mention our presence in Iraq, which is costing $48 billion a year; and the bailout of Wall Street. Do we want our grandchildren and future generations to pay this debt just so we can enjoy a few dollars more in tax cuts? (assuming you are a middle class earner).

I would rather forfeit a few dollars more in tax cuts to avoid passing to my grandchildren the eventual tax burden of paying down our national debt.
Obama will say anything to get elected, better check the facts on his tax plan: specifics of Obama’s tax plan, including: removing the FICA tax cap, doubling the capital gains tax, increasing dividend taxes, letting the Bush tax cuts expire giving everyone an automatic tax increase, raising gasoline taxes, etc

Raising taxes on big corporations helps no one, they only pass the cost to everyone with price increases anyway. Small companies can't afford the extra expense and will go out of business. If Obama wins this country is in for a terrible depression, Remember Jimmy Carter! Obama is against nuclear power, coal (which is jobs in PA), drilling for our own oil. Expect gas prices to go over $5 a gallon with Obama as Pres.

Even after 9/11 the economy recovered under Bush's tax cut plan. Things started going down hill after the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006, thanks to Pelosi and crew in the do nothing Congress we're in the mess we have now.
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Unread 09-28-2008, 08:26 AM
 
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I've seen the country nosedive under Bush but it actually accelerated when the democrats took over the last two years. I've written them off and cannot believe how when both parties fail so miserably, we still end up with extremist idiots and crooks stil running things. Barney Frank? Nancy Pelosi? Hillary? Harry Reid? Teddy Kennedy? John Kerry? Barak Obama? Joe Biden? These and others are all PEERS of George Bush and Dick Cheney, people that should be on the fringes of government, pandering to a minority that is tolerated, not embraced . We've seen their republican counterparts like Rick Santorum, Jesse Helms and Newt Gingrich at least got removed.
Barak Obama is a fraud, a charlatan, an opportunist who will say anything and befriend anyone who will help him. He has all the makings of being one of the worst presidents in our time, including George Duhbya Bush. He will be influenced by those who will find it easy to control him and I believe he's arrogant and fool enough to think he can still appear to be a leader and have the support of the people no matter what. That is exactly what George Bush thought.
McCain is old and out of touch, but the guy has made some genuine effort to bring the two parties together and he has put the country first. He's fought for it, suffered for it, and his opponents ridicule him for it. Obama cannot begin to come close to matching McCain's service and character. Both parties are hopelessly broken and need to be purged but the republicans still have one or two that could serve honorably if given a chance. MCcain is one of them. Joe Lieberman is another, he's an independant, that rose above the dregs and now stands out as his own man and not a partisan stooge.
I'm still writing in a vote for Ron Paul(unless its very close in Pa), but McCain would not be a terrible choice. Obama would be.
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Unread 09-28-2008, 08:52 AM
 
Location: DC Suburbs of Maryland (by way of PA)
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Obama will say anything to get elected, better check the facts on his tax plan: specifics of Obama’s tax plan, including: removing the FICA tax cap, doubling the capital gains tax, increasing dividend taxes, letting the Bush tax cuts expire giving everyone an automatic tax increase, raising gasoline taxes, etc
Changing positions on an issue is hardly unique to Obama. McCain decried government intervention with the Wall Street crisis but then immediately switched his position on the bailout when he realized it was politically prudent for him. As for extending Bush's tax cuts: unless you're a millionaire, you were pretty much getting pennies to begin with. John McCain defines the middle class as anyone with an annual income under $5 million. Obama's plan give middles class (under 250K) taxpayers SIX TIMES as much as McCain's. That will certainly include a good amount of small business owners.

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Raising taxes on big corporations helps no one, they only pass the cost to everyone with price increases anyway. Small companies can't afford the extra expense and will go out of business. If Obama wins this country is in for a terrible depression, Remember Jimmy Carter! Obama is against nuclear power, coal (which is jobs in PA), drilling for our own oil. Expect gas prices to go over $5 a gallon with Obama as Pres.
You've clearly been misinformed. Obama supports coal, nuclear power and offshore drilling. However, he's also put more emphasis on renewable energy. We definitely need to start thinking about energy that is cleaner and sustainable. Nuclear power creates radioactive waste that has to be stored. Do you want that in your neighborhood? Also, there's lots of naivete on offshore drilling. Considering that it would take 10-15 to see any sort of price reduction, there's no such thing as a short fix here. The fact that McCain is pandering to oil interests with millions of dollars in tax cuts while oil company CEOs continue to make record profits alone demonstrates that he is on the wrong side of this issue.

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Even after 9/11 the economy recovered under Bush's tax cut plan. Things started going down hill after the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006, thanks to Pelosi and crew in the do nothing Congress we're in the mess we have now.
I just don't see how that could be the case. Every time the Democrats wanted to pass something substantive, Bush and the Republicans blocked it. This is the problem when you have a divided party government, partisanship gets in the way. Voting for another term of a Republican presidency isn't going to change that gridlock whatsoever.

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Unread 09-28-2008, 09:23 AM
 
Location: DC Suburbs of Maryland (by way of PA)
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I was undecided.........But, I like that McCain stayed to work for us in this "Money Mess".......That he had the guts to stop his campaign and help us avoid a depression like the 1930's. Can one ignor the fact that a crash would have changed life as you know it now? We almost went under......
I feel safe with him, and after 9/11 I want my family to be safe. Look at that hole of dust, and dirt and lives lost........and don't forget. Its a sad place, and we don't need another.
I like Palin, give her some time to catch up. Strong. I think what she has done for Alaska is remarkable. She's going to be good for the country, knowing how to tell the
powers that be, to go take a hike.
If only that were true. She CLAIMS to be a "maverick," but the fact of the matter is she is under ethics investigation for abuse of power (that she tried to avoid). Not to mention Palin lied about being "against" the Bridge to Nowhere. She's looking and sounding more and more like George Bush with lipstick.

Last but certainly not least, Palin is frighteningly unprepared for having to potentially take on the presidency. If you haven't seen her interview with Katie Couric, then I strong advise for everyone to take a look. She's horribly unknowledgeable about anything to do with foreign policy, and her campaign is desperately trying to hide her from the media for fear that people might hear what she has to say. They even wanted to push back the VP debate because of how awful she is doing in her practice sessions. The fact that McCain picked her definitely calls his judgement into question.
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Unread 09-28-2008, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Obama will say anything to get elected, better check the facts on his tax plan: specifics of Obama’s tax plan, including: removing the FICA tax cap, doubling the capital gains tax, increasing dividend taxes, letting the Bush tax cuts expire giving everyone an automatic tax increase, raising gasoline taxes, etc

Raising taxes on big corporations helps no one, they only pass the cost to everyone with price increases anyway. Small companies can't afford the extra expense and will go out of business. If Obama wins this country is in for a terrible depression, Remember Jimmy Carter! Obama is against nuclear power, coal (which is jobs in PA), drilling for our own oil. Expect gas prices to go over $5 a gallon with Obama as Pres.

Even after 9/11 the economy recovered under Bush's tax cut plan. Things started going down hill after the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006, thanks to Pelosi and crew in the do nothing Congress we're in the mess we have now
Here is a side by side comparison of McCain and Obama's tax plans:



If you make less than $100,000 a year, you'll get more in tax savings from Obama's plan than you would under McCain.

Obama supports clean coal, which is good for Pennsylvania coal workers. Burning coal in its solid form would be bad for our environment. But turning coal into gas first and burning the gas is much cleaner for our environment. That is the kind of coal that Obama supports.

Obama supports nuclear power as long as we find ways to properly store and dispose of nuclear waste. Nuclear power has huge potential, and it carries huge risks as well. We should include nuclear power in our energy platform, but proceed cautiously because of its risks. Solar and wind should also be included.
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Unread 09-28-2008, 10:29 AM
 
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If only that were true. She CLAIMS to be a "maverick," but the fact of the matter is she is under ethics investigation for abuse of power (that she tried to avoid). Not to mention Palin lied about being "against" the Bridge to Nowhere. She's looking and sounding more and more like George Bush with lipstick.

Last but certainly not least, Palin is frighteningly unprepared for having to potentially take on the presidency. If you haven't seen her interview with Katie Couric, then I strong advise for everyone to take a look. She's horribly unknowledgeable about anything to do with foreign policy, and her campaign is desperately trying to hide her from the media for fear that people might hear what she has to say. They even wanted to push back the VP debate because of how awful she is doing in her practice sessions. The fact that McCain picked her definitely calls his judgement into question.
I actually think the problem with Palin the past few weeks is the McCain campaign has not let her be herself. Instead it's forced her into repeating a "certain" message. I think if they cut her loose to be herself, she'll be fine.

The debate is this week so we'll see what happens.
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