Whats Erie, Pa like for someone in their mid 20's? (Pittsburgh: to rent, condos)

[pittsteelerfan]

Originally Posted by chaka khanverse

Refer to the bold comments above please.

Toledo's population: City: 295,029
Metro: 650,955

Pittsburgh's population: City: 312,819
Metro: 2,462,571

So, I guess you were wrong with that stat too. Now, ANYBODY who's been to both city's knows the difference between the two. One is a 'major city' and one isn't. I know Pittsburgh's 'city' pop isn't much more now than Toledo (Pittsburgh was 10th largest city in 1950), but the metro is. Pittsburgh has 151 highrise buildings in it's downtown, how many does Toledo have? Pittsburgh is ranked 6th in job density. Only behind Boston, Miami, New York, San Fran, and DC. Where does Toledo rank? I know the difference between the two, now, do you?

[chaka khanverse]

Hmmm... am I still wrong? Everyone knows that Pittsburgh is a much larger metro area than Toledo. I never said anything about that. If you look back at my post, you'll notice I specifically stated the the CITY of Toledo is bigger than the CITY of Pittsburgh. Either way, it's still rather pitiful that Pittsburgh has less people in its city limits than Toledo.


Holy Toledo, look what city just passed us by in population

Wednesday, January 14, 2009
By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Population-wise, Toledo has jumped the line, and is officially bigger than Pittsburgh -- news that had city leaders calling for a little turnabout yesterday.

Ohio's Glass City (also nicknamed Frog Town), overleaped the Steel City by successfully challenging the U.S. Census Bureau's 2007 estimate of its population. Yesterday the bureau boosted Toledo's official population estimate from 295,029 to 316,851 while Pittsburgh's unchallenged population estimate is 311,218.

City Controller Michael Lamb was initially in disbelief over the news. Convinced of its veracity, he proposed that Pittsburgh fight back.

"I would think that given the fact that we more and more have become a college town, someone should be thinking about the way they count college students," Mr. Lamb said. "That could have a big impact."

Councilman Ricky Burgess, who heads council's planning committee, said the city has "an awful lot of development going on for a city that's supposedly losing population … My staff will now begin to look at the possibility of appealing [the city's estimated population] and its impact on our population and, later, government subsidies."

Mayor Luke Ravenstahl's administration wouldn't reveal details yesterday but is believed to be gathering data that might raise questions about the annual downgrades of Pittsburgh's population.

The Census Bureau's annual city population estimates, released in July, affect some federal funding streams. In a typical year, around 60 cities challenge the estimates, and the bureau sends them forms they can fill out to appeal.

Most cities that appeal use building permit or occupancy permit data, said Greg Harper, a demographer with the bureau's Population Division.

Sometimes the bureau accepts or rejects a city's data wholesale, but usually there's some "back and forth" that results in an increase in the official estimate, he said.

Mr. Harper said Pittsburgh hasn't challenged its estimate in recent memory.

"We have every reason to believe that if the population estimates were challenged for Pittsburgh, there'd be an increase," said Shawn Bannon, a spokesman for the Allegheny Conference on Community Development, after checking with the business group's demographics experts. They've seen comparable cities file successful appeals, including St. Louis, Detroit and Milwaukee.

Sixty-one cities challenged their 2006 estimates, adding, on average, 4,790 residents, or 1.84 percent to their rolls. For Pittsburgh, a 1.84 percent increase would mean another 5,726 residents factored into federal funding formulas.

Complete data on challenges to 2007 estimates wasn't available yesterday.

Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner has made the city's population a major issue, even hatching a plan to get the maximum count out of next year's full census.

The deadline for challenging 2007 estimates passed Jan. 5, but Pittsburgh may be laying the groundwork for an appeal of the next set of estimates.

Mr. Ravenstahl's administration is tallying building permits and totaling development projects. A new ordinance also demands the collection of better data on rental property tenants.

It's unclear, though, whether the resulting information will yield a higher or lower population estimate. The city wouldn't likely appeal if its count was lower than the Census Bureau's.

Mr. Lamb, who watches the tax dollars flow in, thinks wage tax receipts seem to suggest that "if there is not a slight upward trend, we're at least not falling away."

"I do believe that our city perhaps is starting to show signs of increasing population, because of so much development going on in the city proper," Mr. Burgess said.

[pittsteelerfan]

Originally Posted by chaka khanverse

Hmmm... am I still wrong? Everyone knows that Pittsburgh is a much larger metro area than Toledo. I never said anything about that. If you look back at my post, you'll notice I specifically stated the the CITY of Toledo is bigger than the CITY of Pittsburgh. Either way, it's still rather pitiful that Pittsburgh has less people in its city limits than Toledo.


Holy Toledo, look what city just passed us by in population

Wednesday, January 14, 2009
By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Population-wise, Toledo has jumped the line, and is officially bigger than Pittsburgh -- news that had city leaders calling for a little turnabout yesterday.

Ohio's Glass City (also nicknamed Frog Town), overleaped the Steel City by successfully challenging the U.S. Census Bureau's 2007 estimate of its population. Yesterday the bureau boosted Toledo's official population estimate from 295,029 to 316,851 while Pittsburgh's unchallenged population estimate is 311,218.

City Controller Michael Lamb was initially in disbelief over the news. Convinced of its veracity, he proposed that Pittsburgh fight back.

"I would think that given the fact that we more and more have become a college town, someone should be thinking about the way they count college students," Mr. Lamb said. "That could have a big impact."

Councilman Ricky Burgess, who heads council's planning committee, said the city has "an awful lot of development going on for a city that's supposedly losing population … My staff will now begin to look at the possibility of appealing [the city's estimated population] and its impact on our population and, later, government subsidies."

Mayor Luke Ravenstahl's administration wouldn't reveal details yesterday but is believed to be gathering data that might raise questions about the annual downgrades of Pittsburgh's population.

The Census Bureau's annual city population estimates, released in July, affect some federal funding streams. In a typical year, around 60 cities challenge the estimates, and the bureau sends them forms they can fill out to appeal.

Most cities that appeal use building permit or occupancy permit data, said Greg Harper, a demographer with the bureau's Population Division.

Sometimes the bureau accepts or rejects a city's data wholesale, but usually there's some "back and forth" that results in an increase in the official estimate, he said.

Mr. Harper said Pittsburgh hasn't challenged its estimate in recent memory.

"We have every reason to believe that if the population estimates were challenged for Pittsburgh, there'd be an increase," said Shawn Bannon, a spokesman for the Allegheny Conference on Community Development, after checking with the business group's demographics experts. They've seen comparable cities file successful appeals, including St. Louis, Detroit and Milwaukee.

Sixty-one cities challenged their 2006 estimates, adding, on average, 4,790 residents, or 1.84 percent to their rolls. For Pittsburgh, a 1.84 percent increase would mean another 5,726 residents factored into federal funding formulas.

Complete data on challenges to 2007 estimates wasn't available yesterday.

Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner has made the city's population a major issue, even hatching a plan to get the maximum count out of next year's full census.

The deadline for challenging 2007 estimates passed Jan. 5, but Pittsburgh may be laying the groundwork for an appeal of the next set of estimates.

Mr. Ravenstahl's administration is tallying building permits and totaling development projects. A new ordinance also demands the collection of better data on rental property tenants.

It's unclear, though, whether the resulting information will yield a higher or lower population estimate. The city wouldn't likely appeal if its count was lower than the Census Bureau's.

Mr. Lamb, who watches the tax dollars flow in, thinks wage tax receipts seem to suggest that "if there is not a slight upward trend, we're at least not falling away."

"I do believe that our city perhaps is starting to show signs of increasing population, because of so much development going on in the city proper," Mr. Burgess said.

And yet, there's NOTHING else you could up with, besides the pop of Toledo. Everything I listed, you obviosly have NEVER been there, or you'd never brought it up. I told you, ya, their zoo is good. What else?

[Ohiogirl81]

Why does Pittsburgh give a crap about the population of Toledo?

Back to the thread topic ... (hint) ...

Originally Posted by MarinoG711

HAHAHA!!! redneck city... I live in Pitt and agree... I will even say people in Erie are less redneck overall then Pitt

I'd have to agree with you there. Growing up, I always felt more well-rounded and aware of the world around me than my Pittsburgh cousins. Erie can be insular, no doubt, but its residents are not nearly the backwoods neanderthals that some make them out to be.

Erie's density is 4,723 persons per sq mile. Harrisburg (at a mere 8.1 sq miles of land) has density of 6,043 persons per square mile.

I'd consider that a good thing. Densely packed cities are just breeding grounds for all sorts of nastiness. Even the most densely populated parts of Erie have a little breathing room for those who live there.

[MarinoG711]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

Why does Pittsburgh give a crap about the population of Toledo?

Back to the thread topic ... (hint) ...

I'd have to agree with you there. Growing up, I always felt more well-rounded and aware of the world around me than my Pittsburgh cousins. Erie can be insular, no doubt, but its residents are not nearly the backwoods neanderthals that some make them out to be.


I'd consider that a good thing. Densely packed cities are just breeding grounds for all sorts of nastiness. Even the most densely populated parts of Erie have a little breathing room for those who live there.

plus Pittsburgh speaks its on language and drive its own way... they are unaware that the rest of the world does not use words like yinz, nebby, redd up and gumband... It is also illegal to make a left turn in front of oncoming traffic without an arrow... If you dont let them make the left in front of you when the light turns green they get pissed... Its illegal and u must wait... Alot of people I have met in Pitt seem like they have never left Pittsburgh...

[scottrpriester]

Originally Posted by MarinoG711

plus Pittsburgh speaks its on language and drive its own way... they are unaware that the rest of the world does not use words like yinz, nebby, redd up and gumband... It is also illegal to make a left turn in front of oncoming traffic without an arrow... If you dont let them make the left in front of you when the light turns green they get pissed... Its illegal and u must wait... Alot of people I have met in Pitt seem like they have never left Pittsburgh...

Another thing that upsets Pittsburgh drivers............people seem to think they are owed the opportunity to be let in to traffic. When they are not let in to traffic, the look on their faces is priceless.

I was driving down the Blvd of the Allies once last year and this girl in a BMW X3 figured I was just going to let her merge, when I was obviously not in a position to move over and let her do so. The look of shock and horror on her face because I did not slam on my brakes and allow her in was unforgettable.

[danwxman]

Originally Posted by Ohiogirl81

Why does Pittsburgh give a crap about the population of Toledo?

Back to the thread topic ... (hint) ...

I'd have to agree with you there. Growing up, I always felt more well-rounded and aware of the world around me than my Pittsburgh cousins. Erie can be insular, no doubt, but its residents are not nearly the backwoods neanderthals that some make them out to be.


I'd consider that a good thing. Densely packed cities are just breeding grounds for all sorts of nastiness. Even the most densely populated parts of Erie have a little breathing room for those who live there.

To each his own, I enjoy living in a dense rowhouse city where I can walk or bike to pretty much everything. Harrisburg still has one of the best park systems in the state.

[pittsteelerfan]

Originally Posted by danwxman

To each his own, I enjoy living in a dense rowhouse city where I can walk or bike to pretty much everything. Harrisburg still has one of the best park systems in the state.

You tell 'em! Comparing Erie to Pittsburgh? lol Ya, Erie's residents are so 'cultured' too! lol .......

[MarinoG711]

Erie is still one of the top 100 densest cities in the country according to city data list... In fact my parents live in a row house in Erie.... Like the cool use of the talk to the hand faces.... awesome!!!!!!!!!

[scottrpriester]

Originally Posted by MarinoG711

Erie is still one of the top 100 densest cities in the country

I think it would rate top ten in being dense mentally too.