View Poll Results: Do You Support the Addition of Sexual Orientation as Protected Class From Discrimination?
Yes
26 61.90%
No
16 38.10%
03-13-2009, 09:45 PM
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BackToTheCityMouse
No, gay men are physically capable of reproduction just like any other man if they choose to do it. And many of them have kids, who came into existence in the completely natural way.
It is unnatural for two men to be together. Let's face it...two men can't reproduce. It is not meant to be. It is against nature and science. This is all just garbage for a minority to push their values (or lack of them) on the rest of us.
03-13-2009, 09:49 PM
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BevoInPA
I completely agree with this. I want to add: my mother remarried after my father passed away. My mother was 56. She, clearly, could not reproduce. If marriage (based on the theory that is creates a basis to establish famlies) is really the reason (religion) then she should not have have been issued a license to re-marry. She's married, very happy, and not 'productive'. demand NOTHING of you , except to leave us alone! We don't want to enter your churches, be your friends, or start businesses with you.
What a crock. You demand our tax dollars and expect us to conform to your needs.
03-13-2009, 10:24 PM
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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sr1234
It is unnatural for two men to be together. Let's face it...two men can't reproduce. It is not meant to be. It is against nature and science. This is all just garbage for a minority to push their values (or lack of them) on the rest of us.
I have known a fair number of gays and lesbians, and not one of them ever attempted to 'push' their situation on me. It can't be done! I think maybe once a person adopts the proselytizing-unto-conversion mindset, that person sees attempts to convert everywhere. We all tend to use ourselves as standards of proper behavior, whether or not we admit it
There are no gay specific 'values' any more than there are racial 'values' or gender 'values'. Good and not-so-good humans come in every sort of biological configuration.
03-13-2009, 10:45 PM
Location: Hell with the lid off, baby!
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sr1234
It is unnatural for two men to be together. Let's face it...two men can't reproduce. It is not meant to be. It is against nature and science. This is all just garbage for a minority to push their values (or lack of them) on the rest of us.
Two men, and two women for that matter, have been together for centuries and centuries. If it's so unnatural, as you put it, why has it been occurring since the beginning of man?
03-13-2009, 11:21 PM
Location: Pittsburgh
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drshang
It's not considered legitimate science by the greater scientific community, maybe to some fringe scientists and people in the KKK it is, but the scientific community generally operates on consensus and the consensus among the community is that it's crap.
Well then, what was I thinking?! We should just take a poll of scientists to determine what is true and what is not. We certainly shouldn't look at the evidence. Perhaps we should've taken a poll around the time Darwin published Origin of Species--then we could have gotten rid of the theory of evolution right then and there. I'm sure a consensus of scientists from 1900 would vote the same way they do today.
03-14-2009, 06:46 AM
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ainulinale
There is strong scientific evidence that suggests homosexuality is not biologically based . One such study tested identical twins; they found that 50%, when one twin was gay, the other was not; strongly suggesting that homosexuality is not biological like being black.
Do have a Source for this statement? That's not the conclusion of any of the twin studies I have read, nor of any of the other studies I've read in this area. I'd be interested to read the particular study you mention because I thought I knew about most of the studies on sexual orientation in the past 30 years and haven't heard of that one. Are you sure you got it right? Have you read any of these peer reviewed, published studies in this long list of studies up to about 2004 about sexual orientation?
Is It a Choice? The Science of Sexual Orientation
And here are some conclusions from some of the most recent studies on sexual orientation:
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Mustanski, B. S.; DuPree, M. G.; Nievergelt, C. M.; Bocklandt, S.; Schork, N. J.; Hamer, D. H. “A genomewide scan of male sexual orientation.” Human Genetics 116: 272-278, 2005Mustanski concluded that: "There's a converging line of evidence between the hormonal studies, the genetic neuroanatomical studies. My research has identified candidate genes within these new chromosomal regions that could link together all of these different findings”
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Swaab DF (2007) Sexual differentiation of the brain
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(2008) Brain scans have provided the most compelling evidence yet that being gay or straight is a biologically fixed trait.Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex - life - 16 June 2008 - New Scientist
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03-14-2009, 07:01 AM
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wanneroo
For starters however it is you have sex has nothing at all to do with the workplace. I don't bring my sex life into work and I don't expect anyone else to. If my company had employees and they did, they'd get fired. Whatever it is you are fornicating with and however you are doing it, I really don't want to know.
So no-one at your workplace knows if you are married or have a girlfriend or have children?
No-one at your workplace dares even mention they are married or have a wife/husband boyfriend/girlfriend or anything about their lives that might reveal their sexual orientation or they will get fired? Odd place to work.
03-14-2009, 08:18 AM
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A good many years ago when I was 22, a bunch of friends & I went out drinking. I got totally hammered & ended up having sex with a
woman !!!
(please don't judge me solely upon my one error of judgement....
)
It was the most un-natural thing I've ever done, but I couldn't help myself...my thoughts were clouded by liquor & the elevated hormones of youth!! Even as the nausea of realizing what I was doing permeated through the alchohol haze, I just kept on....the shame was immense!!
We woke up the next morning in uncomfortable silence, knowing we had done the unimaginable!! We discussed the situation & decided to chalk it up to "experimentation" & never spoke of it again.
I've lived with that shame for 30 years, & I'm
SO glad that I wasn't labeled as "straight" by that one misguided evening!!
I hope none of you are
EVER forced to do the "un-natural" by closed-minded people & have to endure the shame & humiliation that I and others like me have.....
03-14-2009, 08:20 AM
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Jungle George
A good many years ago when I was 22, a bunch of friends & I went out drinking. I got totally hammered & ended up having sex with a
woman !!!
(please don't judge me solely upon my one error of judgement....
)
It was the most un-natural thing I've ever done, but I couldn't help myself...my thoughts were clouded by liquor & the elevated hormones of youth!! Even as the nausea of realizing what I was doing permeated through the alchohol haze, I just kept on....the shame was immense!!
We woke up the next morning in uncomfortable silence, knowing we had done the unimaginable!! We discussed the situation & decided to chalk it up to "experimentation" & never spoke of it again.
I've lived with that shame for 30 years, & I'm
SO glad that I wasn't labeled as "straight" by that one misguided evening!!
I hope none of you are
EVER forced to do the "un-natural" by closed-minded people & have to endure the shame & humiliation that I and others like me have.....
Does this mean if I get a straight guy drunk at my college I could get similarly as "lucky" as that woman got with you so many years ago?!!
03-14-2009, 08:26 AM
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ScranBarre
Or broken bones!!
Some people say I can be sarcastic....I just don't see it....
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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