Great Daily Item article: Violence reflects national findings: Valley gays harassed (Pittston: brokers, camps)

[sunsetcliff]

...14 trillion $ and we are concerned over who is doing who. MAN that angers me! Either side is woefully to blame - by being distracted by this NON ISSUE.

To side #1. you mind your business and I will mind mine. To side #2., you mind your business and I will mind mine.

I don't think youns realize the full consequences of the TARP. That this mean YOU are required to pay trillions. YOU!

If you think everyone else will pay- but not you, then think again.

As to the Daily Item- I am disappointed with them. But not for any liberal or conservative reporting. But for slopping reporting and for being a tool for the all seeing eye.

That paper- could free the valley from the bondage of debt to off shore bankers. It could educate folks as to what is actually going on.
It could enable every person to be the best that they can be, and the valley to flourish into a dynamic and example mode of life. I have tried many time to talk to those people there. It seems since they were sold- that is harder.
The Daily Item tells me the sky is green, the water is blue, that up is nither and down is omitted. A profound example of what happens when a region looses local control.

I know pretty much about the whole issue. Gays themselves do not stick together. Not in the least. So there is not going to be anyone clapping because someone is gay.

With the offshore banker take over of America and we are fretting over this asinine issue.

I think I have said enough. ....pathetic. Like it really matters. Don't (gays) get it? There is no 'rights" under the NWO...and once the NWO is complete the gays will be among the first groups of people to be sent to the gas chambers. Divide and concuer.

Either side- come on. Here is the deal, front me some silver/gold, and you can be as gay as you want or as straight as you want. Heck- I will even decorate Sunbury for ya!

How much silver/gold, do you got?

...why so quiet? Come on. Ill make it happen. Pay me and it is done. Let me know.

[ScranBarre]

(Sigh). I don't know what's worse. Bickering with the homophobes back "home" in PA or bickering with the Hummer/McMansion-lovers in NoVA?!

[ScranBarre]

Can I ask you heterosexuals who find people like me to be so vile one question. Why, pray tell, would I, a rather intelligent person who is mentally well, has a college degree, a good-paying job, and is a good community member consciously choose a "lifestyle" that most in places like PA seem to find disgusting and abhorrent?!

Don't you think it made me feel terribly to see my mother cry and hear my father say nasty things about me when I finally "came out?" Don't you think I hated getting shoved and receiving hate mail in high school and my first year of college for being the way I was? Don't you think I cringed when my ex-manager and a customer openly gay-bashed in front of me with me feeling helpless because my former employer had no policy in regards to discrimination in the workplace based upon sexual orientation? Don't you think it pains me to know that my neighbors here in Virginia passed a ban on same-sex marriage and same-sex civil unions, which means I'll never get to fall in love and grow old with someone in a meaningful relationship? Don't you think it panics me to wonder how I'll be treated if and when my new boss finds out about my sexual orientation? What about my neighbors? The fellow congregants at the church I wish to join? The constituents whom I hope to serve someday as I make a bid for public office?

I don't know why anyone would consciously choose this sort of lifestyle of constantly having to say "I'm not a bad person!"

Also, I have yet to have a heterosexual tell me when they consciously "chose" to become attracted to members of the opposite sex. It just sort of "happened" when you were young, right? You didn't wake up one morning and say "I think I'm going to be in the middle of a human sandwich with a guy on one side and girl on the other and see which one I like better!" I've been praying for YEARS for God to make me "well" so that I could fall in love with a nice woman and have three lovely children. I've even tried dating and being intimate with women just to see what it would be like. I felt VERY out of my natural element, much as how a straight guy would probably feel if he woke up next to a gay guy after a drunken night at a college party. Do you want us all to become like ex-NJ Governor Jim McGreevey---living a lie for years and eventually break the hearts of a jilted wife and traumatized young children?

When I see Christians hiding behind the Bible as a means to say such hurtful things it only makes me further question whether I want to stay affiliated with organized religion at all.

[PITTSTON2SARASOTA]

Originally Posted by ScranBarre

(Sigh). I don't know what's worse. Bickering with the homophobes back "home" in PA or bickering with the Hummer/McMansion-lovers in NoVA?!

Like "Sabre-Faire they are Everywhere". LOL

[PITTSTON2SARASOTA]

Originally Posted by ScranBarre

Can I ask you heterosexuals who find people like me to be so vile one question. Why, pray tell, would I, a rather intelligent person who is mentally well, has a college degree, a good-paying job, and is a good community member consciously choose a "lifestyle" that most in places like PA seem to find disgusting and abhorrent?!

Don't you think it made me feel terribly to see my mother cry and hear my father say nasty things about me when I finally "came out?" Don't you think I hated getting shoved and receiving hate mail in high school and my first year of college for being the way I was? Don't you think I cringed when my ex-manager and a customer openly gay-bashed in front of me with me feeling helpless because my former employer had no policy in regards to discrimination in the workplace based upon sexual orientation? Don't you think it pains me to know that my neighbors here in Virginia passed a ban on same-sex marriage and same-sex civil unions, which means I'll never get to fall in love and grow old with someone in a meaningful relationship? Don't you think it panics me to wonder how I'll be treated if and when my new boss finds out about my sexual orientation? What about my neighbors? The fellow congregants at the church I wish to join? The constituents whom I hope to serve someday as I make a bid for public office?

I don't know why anyone would consciously choose this sort of lifestyle of constantly having to say "I'm not a bad person!"

Also, I have yet to have a heterosexual tell me when they consciously "chose" to become attracted to members of the opposite sex. It just sort of "happened" when you were young, right? You didn't wake up one morning and say "I think I'm going to be in the middle of a human sandwich with a guy on one side and girl on the other and see which one I like better!" I've been praying for YEARS for God to make me "well" so that I could fall in love with a nice woman and have three lovely children. I've even tried dating and being intimate with women just to see what it would be like. I felt VERY out of my natural element, much as how a straight guy would probably feel if he woke up next to a gay guy after a drunken night at a college party. Do you want us all to become like ex-NJ Governor Jim McGreevey---living a lie for years and eventually break the hearts of a jilted wife and traumatized young children?

When I see Christians hiding behind the Bible as a means to say such hurtful things it only makes me further question whether I want to stay affiliated with organized religion at all.

I had to break away from my church...Mount Carmel.....broke my heart but you gotta do what you gotta do. You know, I'm sure, that there are many other churches which will welcome you into their congregation with the true love of God and not preach hate and indirectly encourage violence.

[sunsetcliff]

Lines up with the proposed cyber bully and other speech restrictions the fed is trying to do. Which is an effort to silence alternative media. Non-mainstream media.

[sunsetcliff]

Relax- I have seen guys that would shock you = up at the park. Fake the straight thing then go up to the park for sex with other men. You would be surprised - so often the church crowd is, all talk, besides I know what I saw. And I know what I say alot of times.

I am glad I did not go to high school here. Even my sister felt compelled to leave.

Anyhow- I can Identify the details- of what I saw... so fake bravado... what ever.

In my experience the people with the loudest bark- have the most to hide.

:-)

[susquehannock]

Originally Posted by PITTSTON2SARASOTA

People do not choose to be gay, nor is it a mental disorder, this was settled in the seventies. Check the American Psychiatric Association and their data: I just read the thread...the poster SPECIFICALLY asked for this to not turn into an arguement. Now who started the rhetoric and in whose face....

American Psychological Association: No "gay" Gene. - DJohn - Open Salon

[BackToTheCityMouse]

The link says there is no obvious biological cause for gayness that has been so far clearly identified and accepted by a consensus of researchers. That doesn't mean gayness is a conscious choice.

For example, a huge amount of research funding is always set aside for genetic research into rare diseases (I am not saying that being gay is a disease) but actually many of them do not seem to have any clear genetic marker in over 80% of cases -- less than 20% of victims have some kind of family history. A dead end and a huge waste of money IMO.

My husband died of a rare disease late last year, with no family history of it. They did a genetic screening on him anyway, and found no markers. Yet he surely did not choose to die young after years of misery.

People who think that simple answers to all biological questions can be found by identifying a single gene, or small group of genes -- or not finding a simple genetic factor -- don't understand the science.

Whatever beliefs you may hold about the Origin of all life, humans at this point don't have the skillz to reverse engineer ourselves, or even less complex life forms. In view of humanity's ethical shortcomings, this is not a bad thing!

[tijlover]

Originally Posted by susquehannock

I'm not condoning it, but the violence and harassment will continue to get worse as long as "the in your face attitude and tactics' persist. Some people who haven't been brainwashed don't like things they're opposed to shoved down their throats.

I'm Gay and I agree with "in your face" and having it shoved down their throats. As well as the typical selfish Gay lifestyle, and the idea of Gay marriage which I find appalling. The straight population seems to think that every Gay male and female is supportive of Gay marriage. If a true poll were taken, not just of the out-and-about Gay people, the results would be surprising.

I have no use for Gay bars and if everyone disappeared from the city I was living in tomorrow, I would find it very difficult not to celebrate. If I wish to meet someone, I can do it a lot quicker than deal with all that immature game-playing at your typical Gay bar, and put an ad on Craigslist. An hour or two after you place an ad, bingo! you may have someone headed for your house.

I lead my own Gay life and I don't seek out other Gay people for friends. I have some wonderful straight friends, and they're friends not because they're Gay. I just find them more interesting than Gay people leading the Gay lifestyle.

I suppose it would never cross anyone's mind that there might be Gay people out there inflicting violence on their own kind.