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Old 06-28-2009, 03:21 PM
 
Location: The Neighborhoods
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Opposition to this bill is extremely shortsighted. Whatever price we have to pay today is worth averting catastrophe in the years to come. The catastrophic economic effects of global warming will easily trump what this bill will cost today. The only non-myopic opposition should be in terms of whether the bill does too little to avert catastrophe.
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Old 06-28-2009, 03:26 PM
 
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Opposition to this bill is extremely shortsighted. Whatever price we have to pay today is worth averting catastrophe in the years to come. The catastrophic economic effects of global warming will easily trump what this bill will cost today. The only non-myopic opposition should be in terms of whether the bill does too little to avert catastrophe.


Then you won't mind paying my families share, will you?

What catastrophe are you referring to?
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Old 06-28-2009, 03:39 PM
 
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Then you won't mind paying my families share, will you?

What catastrophe are you referring to?
First, let's just get something out of the way. You don't get to pick and choose what taxes you'd like to pay (or likewise with government programs, treaties, etc). So I suggest you place that debating tactic on a shelf in the basement and let it get dusty. Second, I'm sure by now you're aware of the consequences of global warming. If this is controversial to you, then perhaps you're either (1) uniformed in good-faith or (2) ideological in bad-faith and unwilling to accept gold-standards like "scientific consensus." In the hopes that you are among the former group, this global warming primer written for skeptics should answer any questions you have and more.
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Old 06-28-2009, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Hamburg, NY
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Opposition to this bill is extremely shortsighted. Whatever price we have to pay today is worth averting catastrophe in the years to come. The catastrophic economic effects of global warming will easily trump what this bill will cost today. The only non-myopic opposition should be in terms of whether the bill does too little to avert catastrophe.

Well said! Its too bad that they RWers would rather pay for another war (or 2) than fix the environment.
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Old 06-28-2009, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Hamburg, NY
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All paid for by borrowed Federal money and American taxpayers(those who are left) with a massive takeover by the Fereral government.

Eventually poverty will overwhelm government programs so much that it will be like a third world country. There won't be enough taxpayers left to support the welfare state.

Your other issue is probably that it doesn't disarm Americans.

Why do you secular progressives hate freedom and liberty as much as you do?

Barry Sotero

If the environmental issues are not addressed today then you wont have to worry about paying taxes tomorrow. Our children & grandchildren will be the ones that are most affected as they will be left with a wasteland as the climate changes & turns lush areas into barren land & Oceans reclaim cities & coastline. I'm sure the nations of the world will then turn on each other for control of the few resources that will remain.


Personally I really don't care one way or another about gun control. If the GOP has you so scared of foreign takeover & hostile illegals that you feel you need to arm yourself to the teeth then so be it. Those guns will be of little use when climate because the real enemy (and it will if the problems are not fixed now).
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Old 06-28-2009, 03:58 PM
 
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First, let's just get something out of the way. You don't get to pick and choose what taxes you'd like to pay (or likewise with government programs, treaties, etc). So I suggest you place that debating tactic on a shelf in the basement and let it get dusty. Second, I'm sure by now you're aware of the consequences of global warming. If this is controversial to you, then perhaps you're either (1) uniformed in good-faith or (2) ideological in bad-faith and unwilling to accept gold-standards like "scientific consensus." In the hopes that you are among the former group, this global warming primer written for skeptics should answer any questions you have and more.
Man made global warming is pure junk science. Mars is warming too. Is that from SUVs? Explain to me what caused the Medieval warming period when. Global warming propaganda is all about control and you're falling victim to it. You're the perfect candidate for Edward Bernays.
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Old 06-28-2009, 03:59 PM
 
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If the environmental issues are not addressed today then you wont have to worry about paying taxes tomorrow. Our children & grandchildren will be the ones that are most affected as they will be left with a wasteland as the climate changes & turns lush areas into barren land & Oceans reclaim cities & coastline. I'm sure the nations of the world will then turn on each other for control of the few resources that will remain.
According to Al Gore and his junk science.

ROTFLMAO
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Old 06-28-2009, 05:41 PM
 
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Opposition to this bill is extremely shortsighted. Whatever price we have to pay today is worth averting catastrophe in the years to come. The catastrophic economic effects of global warming will easily trump what this bill will cost today. The only non-myopic opposition should be in terms of whether the bill does too little to avert catastrophe.
What global warming? The earth has been cooling since 1998!
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Old 06-28-2009, 05:46 PM
 
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First, let's just get something out of the way. You don't get to pick and choose what taxes you'd like to pay (or likewise with government programs, treaties, etc). So I suggest you place that debating tactic on a shelf in the basement and let it get dusty. Second, I'm sure by now you're aware of the consequences of global warming. If this is controversial to you, then perhaps you're either (1) uniformed in good-faith or (2) ideological in bad-faith and unwilling to accept gold-standards like "scientific consensus." In the hopes that you are among the former group, this global warming primer written for skeptics should answer any questions you have and more.
Huh?

I guess you missed American history and politics in school. What was the American Revolution about?

TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!

That's what we kicked the limey's out of the country for.

We elect representatives to represent us and if they do a poor job they get voted out. Any bozo in congress in my district that votes for stupid stuff like Cap and Rape, I'll be voting their ass out.

There is no "scientific consensus" on global warming and for one data shows the earth has been cooling for ten years now. I'd do more research outside of left wing wacko communist agenda sites.
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Old 06-28-2009, 05:54 PM
 
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If the environmental issues are not addressed today then you wont have to worry about paying taxes tomorrow. Our children & grandchildren will be the ones that are most affected as they will be left with a wasteland as the climate changes & turns lush areas into barren land & Oceans reclaim cities & coastline. I'm sure the nations of the world will then turn on each other for control of the few resources that will remain.
There is no wasteland. There are more trees now in the USA than back in 1600. New England back in the 1700's was bare of trees and all farm land. In Connecticut in 1750 it looked like Kansas. You can't go 10 ft without hitting a tree now in CT.

Same here in northern PA. They cut all the trees down 150 years ago. Now we are heavily forested up here.

There is no global warming. Hasn't been for 10 years. And certainly if there is in the future I wouldn't mind some because it's been damn cold the past year.

All this hysteria about oceans destroying cities and wastelands is pure nonsense and gibberish. The earth has always had climate cycles and always will. A tiny bit of Co2 is not going to destroy the earths climate. The earth has ways and means of cleaning itself and maintaining balance.

And another thing there is SQUAT in this bill that actually addresses anything about ecology. All it does is find ways to layer taxes and add more pinhead bureaucrats to the federal government.
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