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Old 09-21-2011, 05:50 AM
 
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I'm looking for my cousin who was born out of wedlock and his mother was forced to give him up for adoption.

My aunt Peg (Margaret) Murphy gave birth to a baby boy, Francis/Frankie, in January 1952 in an unmarried mother's home in Co. Tipperary, Ireland. Not known if Francis is still his name or not. He was adopted by a couple, Mr and Mrs Henry William Payne, believed to be from the USA.

If anyone has any information or even tips on how to go about finding Frankie, please contact me!

Thanks.

Siovano.
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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I'm looking for my cousin who was born out of wedlock and his mother was forced to give him up for adoption.

My aunt Peg (Margaret) Murphy gave birth to a baby boy, Francis/Frankie, in January 1952 in an unmarried mother's home in Co. Tipperary, Ireland. Not known if Francis is still his name or not. He was adopted by a couple, Mr and Mrs Henry William Payne, believed to be from the USA.

If anyone has any information or even tips on how to go about finding Frankie, please contact me!

Thanks.

Siovano.
Can you tell us how you know the first, middle, and last name of the people who adopted Frankie?
What else does your Aunt know or remember?

A fake birth certificate would be all that was needed, for the Payne's to leave Ireland with the baby, with no adoption agency even involved.

If his parents were age 21 when they adopted him, they would be over 80 years old now, and possibly deceased.
And to adopt at age 21 would be unusual. Usually couples try to have their own kids first. Maybe they want a boy and a girl and they have a girl, then they adopt a boy. My two Uncles-Aunts did this. They had a girl and both adopted a boy to balance their family. So, Frankie's adoptive parents could be well over 80 years old, as a couple adopting a child from a foreign country at age 21 is rare, in my opinion.

They surely gave him a name that ended in Payne.
I would say that is the only accurate information about him at this time.
He is age 59 and his last name is Payne. County unknown.

Many parents will name their son after themselves, at least the boy's middle name.
Francis may have been named:
Francis Henry Payne.
Frankie Henry Payne.
William Henry Payne, Jr. though he was not their biological child.
Francis William Payne.
Frankie William Payne.
? ? Payne.

If you had any other information like what airport the Payne's used to depart Ireland, etc. then you might be able to isolate the country they went to.

With his parents possibly deceased due to age, and his age being 59 with the last name of Payne, and you do not know the country, your search if very difficult.
What other information do you have?
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Old 10-03-2011, 11:36 PM
 
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WOW!!!!... That's all..... Just WOW!!! .
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Old 10-04-2011, 10:07 AM
 
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WOW!!!!... That's all..... Just WOW!!! .
I have no idea what this post means.

To the OP, Dublin Airport would have been the only place to get a flight into the US in 1952 (into Idlewild Airport - renamed in late 1963 to JFK Airport). Their most likely transport, however, would have been an ocean liner departing Co. Cork. The passenger lists on these ships are very well documented. If you could ascertain the general month when they left Tipp with the baby, one of the people on this site who has access to Ancestry dot com could verify if they did indeed leave by ship - and if so - what port they were sailing into. Bear in mind, there is a good chance they were Canadians.

Henry William Payne - New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 - Ancestry.com

Best of luck to you!
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Old 10-04-2011, 06:11 PM
 
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WOW!!!!... That's all..... Just WOW!!! .
I agree. LOL. Carry on. I love this forum.
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Old 10-04-2011, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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I have Ancestry but I don't have time to search right now. I work. I will look later if no one else does.
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Old 10-05-2011, 01:05 AM
 
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Wow x 3.


Here's how to do it:

Run a search on surname Payne born Jan 1952, eliminate the females and you have your list of living American possibilities. Search each name looking for one with a father named Henry William Payne, or a record showing travel from the UK, or a naturalization record. If someone has the upgraded World version of Ancestry they can check the names against the Ireland Birth registry. Eliminate names from your list as you find their fathers' names don't match. Then take the short list, find their current address/phone and contact them - tell them you're searching for a long-lost cousin and ask if they were born in Ireland. Yes, they will know, because the way it really works for out-of-country adoptions is the baby's new BC will still have Ireland as the place of birth, and he will become a US citizen through the naturalization process.

If none of the names pan out, then look to the SS Death records for males with that birthdate and check those names in the same way. If that doesn't reveal anything, then consider the possibility that the parents were not US citizens after all.


Here's the list of male Paynes born 1/1952.

PAYNE, DAVID M (Age 59)
PAYNE, KENNETH H (Age 59)
PAYNE, GARY Lynn (Age 59)


PAYNE, GEORGE E (Age 59)
PAYNE, ANTHONY L (Age 59)
PAYNE, CLARKE B (Age 59)


PAYNE, PHILIP E (Age 59)
PAYNE, JAMES W (Age 59)


PAYNE, GEORGE W (Age 59)
PAYNE, DONALD (Age 59)


PAYNE, LYNWOOD RAY (Age 59)
PAYNE, CLIFFORD T (Age 59)
PAYNE, MICHAEL G (Age 59)
PAYNE, JOSEPH E (Age 59)
PAYNE, RICKEY E (Age 59)
PAYNE, JEFFREY (Age 59)
PAYNE, JOSEPH EARL JR (Age 59)


PAYNE, KEITH B (Age 59)
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Old 10-05-2011, 11:35 AM
 
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I have no idea what this post means.

To the OP, Dublin Airport would have been the only place to get a flight into the US in 1952 (into Idlewild Airport - renamed in late 1963 to JFK Airport). Their most likely transport, however, would have been an ocean liner departing Co. Cork. The passenger lists on these ships are very well documented. If you could ascertain the general month when they left Tipp with the baby, one of the people on this site who has access to Ancestry dot com could verify if they did indeed leave by ship - and if so - what port they were sailing into. Bear in mind, there is a good chance they were Canadians.

Henry William Payne - New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 - Ancestry.com

Best of luck to you!

WOW!!!!... That's all..... Just WOW!!!
............that means the person who posted that comment, is saying the OP did not provide enough information.
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