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Old 01-02-2013, 10:15 PM
 
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thamlet2149 you are a kind soul.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:49 PM
 
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I don't think the Colorado addresses are current. But I'm not finding anything more current at the moment

Name: Paul Eugene Bishop
Birth Date: 14 May 1950
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Huf
Birth County: San Diego

Name: Paul E Bishop
Birth Date: 14 May 1950
Address: 958 S Vrain St, Denver, CO, 80219-3134

Name: Robert Leroy Bishop
Birth Date: 20 Oct 1953
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Huff
Birth County: San Diego

Name: Robert L Bishop
Birth Date: 20 Oct 1953
Address: 860 Harlan St, Lakewood, CO, 80214-2344
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:57 AM
 
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More info on Lugenia and additional husband
Lugenia Ann Hamner and Michael M. Hamner
First Name: Lugenia Ann Hamner
Spouse Name: Michael M Hamner
Divorce Date: Oct 3, 1985
Divorce Location: El Cajon,
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Would you like to write a letter to a Mr. Michael M. Hamner that lives in San Diego?
Not much to lose it seems, but a couple stamps.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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And the names for Lugenia and Shannon are correct too.
Lugenia divorced Raymond in 1982 and supposedly married Michael M. Hamner and had a daughter name Shannon. Shannon was born in 1965. She was at least age 17 before Lugenia became her mother.
Above you said both those names are correct.
Does that mean that Michael M. Hamner is correct also?
There is one by that name, alive and well, in the San Diego area.

If Lugenia did not tell Michael and Shannon about Raymond, and she never told her next 1+ husbands then none of them know anything. Even if they know something they may not want to tell you anything.

Raymond married and divorced 4 times in the span of 10 years, the last one being 1982. All those ex-wives are surely re-married. If he had any kids with these marriages, the divorces happened so soon, the kids never got to be old enough to know who their father was.
(married Rosemary Beavers and divorced 1972..?..)
(married Diana K. and divorced in 1973..?..)
married and divorced Deborah Silverman in 1979..?..)
(married and divorced Lugenia and divorced 1982..?..)
He appears to have married and divorced 4 times before 1982.
Now if there is another wife living on Coos Bay and he is still married to her then it's his 5th wife, first name not known. (??)

Have you concluded that Forest and Dorothy Berkshire are not his parents?
By chance, there is a Paul Bishop buried in the same military cemetery as Forest and Dorothy.

Go back to the beginning. He was born Raymond Merrill Berkshire to Betty Lou Huff. Correct?
And he does not know his Father's name, other than Bill?
Or was Bill the name of his Mother's 2nd husband?

I'd start over.
Get a copy of Raymonds birth certificate unless you already have it.
He can get it himself if he is willing to pay the fee and fill out the forms. You need facts like his parents complete names and complete dates of their birth and locations at time of birth.

Approach a conversation with Raymond this way. Just ask him a simple question:
"Raymond you are not getting any younger you know. Would you like to contact, talk to, meet one of your old friends or relatives? Well that's very nice that you do. Tell me everything you know about that person and we'll see if we can find them for you."
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Who would Robert and Paul Bishop be?
Raymond was age 5 and 8 when they were born?

As far as 6 sets of adopted twins, you should hope that is not true, as many complications exist, without adding in 6 adoptions.

I'd concentrate on the men who's last names have not changed. Too many marriages and divorces in the 1970's and 1980's.

If you can get his birth certificate then the obituarys can be found for his parents.
The Funeral home who handled them can give you the name of who paid for the funeral, and they often keep copies of the guest list, etc.

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Old 01-03-2013, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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Robert and Paul are half brothers, do we think those addresses are current?
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:38 PM
 
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Robert and Paul are half brothers, do we think those addresses are current?
Address are not current. They are at least 10 years old. Will keep looking.

Can you ask what state his mom passed away in and approx what year? I'm not finding her on the SSDI

Gina
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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I talked to one of Ray's brothers today. Thank you everyone!
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:45 PM
 
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Awesome! Congrats!
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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I talked to one of Ray's brothers today. Thank you everyone!
Wonderful ! Any additional details on how he was found and what may come of this.....? Good luck !
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Old 01-05-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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Wonderful !
Any additional details on how he was found and what may come of this.....? Good luck !
That was quick. Between your post on Jan. 3rd at 9:34pm and 10:15pm you spoke to one of his brothers.

Yes, as AnnieA has said, you have some results that get you some "real family" help with Raymond.
And what clue might have solved it for you, would be interesting, as several people kept the name on their notepad for when they had a chance to look around.
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