[HenriFIN]

I send this message also here and I`m very sorry message English, I`m Finland relationship and last time no speak English.
My 77 years old grandfather live wife with Denver`s

But this my two message:

My grandfather live in Colorado Denver nearby with his wife. I`m birth and always lived in Finland. For that reason my English is not ideal, but I hope and believe that here is people who understand and want to help me.
My grandfather birth Germany year 1938 and He meet my grandmother first once in summer 1959 and they a relationship for up to the year 1961, when my grandmother became pregnant and began to wait the girl, my mother. My mother birth in summer 1961.
However my grandfather, my mother`s father was missing. Grandmother became aware of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and German into, that he has changed the potential to Canada, and there no found a man named last.
However, my grandmother and my aunt looking for him yet until the 1980s, when they gave up because the mother's father was not trace of after 1961, nor his parents never did not respond to return telephone calls or letters.

I decided in 2004 to find out the fate of my grandfather. I got to it out after more than a year of work, Finland, Canada and the US authorities all helped me really much.
My disappointment was really great when I called my father and he responded very unkindly and angrily, that he has never even been to Finland. Lied to me.
Eventually he is a little "softened to" and was forced to admit even that was dating my grandmother. However, he denied paternity. He is with his wife, two adult children.
My mother raised the of Central Finland in the District Court against her paternity claim and Finnish judiciary authorities asked for help from the Colorado and the DNA sample was obtained thus taken and paternity was confirmed.
My grandfather's demeanor angered really seriously to my mother, who was still ready to forgive him everything.
Also my health is affected by this stress. Grandfather remember yes tell you how the matter is pressed him, but he has had almost 55 years ago. He was not found initially because he had changed his first name in 1961.

My grandfather and his wife have stated a number of times for us, that they are not particularly wealthy.
We do not even have in the District Court and not before or after, requested or demanded my grandfather dollars all, we are nothing more than that she even try to correct what little there is still repairable.
And he's not even Christmas cards sent, and does not respond to letters, only mentions when asked about received messages (letters and emails), but he has not said that would not want to have anything to do with us.
We have never even thought about any of heritage, since he lives, the mere innuendo violates the real deal.

Despite everything, however, I want to meet my grandfather. However, he is in my heart all the time and the only one grandfather who I am alive.
I hope to be contacted in Denver and nearby asked by people, which can be accessed and who can help, for example, to move there, because I have traveled very little.
For me, you can put messages or e-mail to e.pekkarinen@wippies.fi
All inquiries and assistance are welcome, but nice it would be to get follow roughly the same age group of young women, I am 25 years old.

And this second:

Of course, I also thought that I would give it go, but the complete forgetting, after more than ten years, is at least to me, really difficult, because the help I ask because I've decided to release it only when it is "the last card is turned over," and it`s, I have met my grandfather personally.
I do not intend to ask him any answers to cases relating to old questions, if he does not actually want to tell separately.
The saddest thing about this is that I imagined my grandmother lied about things, as he is accustomed to, luckily we had, and my mother, we were now wrong. His wife and children have been on the phone quite a fair, peaceful, somehow it seems that my grandfather secretly still something, but what, and why, this was not a surprise, at least to him.

All costs incurred in establishing paternity, almost € 10,000 (roughly the same, therefore, value as the USD $) paid the Finnish state, only because my mother and me wanted so. Normally Finland law only to persons lacking resources will not be charged money, now judge ruled that My grandfather did not have any financial obstacles to providing compensation and he has been unsuccessful in all respects, but the judge ruled that "the right to respect the sincere request of the parties", as well as the District Court offered since 2012 free of charge, full-time assistance of an interpreter grandfather by telephone or on the spot who raised the debate Finnish media such as whole incident because the Finnish law on paternity, the mother the right to challenge paternity Strengthening justice had expired in 1981, leaving his whereabouts and even a new name was not known. The actual amount of financial expenses was refused to reveal never, even for us.
This is one news Finland, here not speak, this is two link Keskisuomalainen: http://www.ksml.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/k...ksella/2184570 Keskisuomalainen nainen sai isän amerikkalaisesta miehestä oikeuden päätöksellä - Kotimaa - Keskisuomalainen and Ilta-Sanomat news: Saksalainen liftari sai nuoren suomalaisnaisen raskaaksi Saksalainen liftari sai nuoren suomalaisnaisen raskaaksi (Ilta-Sanomien news only me just me I perform my own name.

I hope always help also yet also this Does anyone know how to advise the United States a forum where you can see the degree of certainty / reliably, either free or relatively cheap, and it is possible to pay on-line banking to use the service of man all the "official" children, as well as his possible criminal background, of course, hope that at least Criminal Background My grandfather would not have.
Also, the practice varies, at least here in Finland, for example, a drug user of the Criminal Code is a minor act of the police to issue a written warning or a fine, but it prevents many jobs abroad, and access to long periods of time, sometimes even denial of a license even if traffic violations would not be. Many instead very serious violent crimes no longer appear on the criminal record of a few years. I am under the impression that almost all crimes committed in the United States appear in the register for life.
I`m very sorry if my English is bad, it due to heavy and busy day, as well as fatigue.

Still waiting for messages to e-mail and I will try to do my first and so far the most important air travel as soon as possible.

[observer53]

If your grandfather made it clear that he does not want to have anything to do with you, I think traveling all the way to Denver will be a profound disappointment. Why would you want to move there permanently, of all the places you could go, just because a relative who does not want to have any kind of relationship with you lives there?


In the last part of your post, I think you are asking if you can pay someone to do a criminal background check, and, if I understand you correctly, look to see if he has other "official" children? I am sure there are private investigators here in the US who can do that. Do you think he has a criminal record, and if so, what would you do with that information that would help your situation?

[HenriFIN]

I think that you are not completely misinterpreted both texts correctly, or else the poor English language taitoni has caused misunderstanding.

Have not the writings of my told, if they even bother to read, asked my grandfather several times directly on whether he wants that we do not have anything to do, and he has always denied the matter, as he has promised my things without asking two different times that we can meet the latest when he comes to visit his native Germany. Why beat around things around a long time and denies? I am, at least in such a way gotten rid of unpleasant relatives.
I only suspected that he might have someone else a child who may also have sued her paternity test and he has got the wife and their children encrypted but this was the man too much, then, for even my grandfather's wife and daughter have pointed out to me that the issue is no longer a problem them and regret beginnings käuyöstä, they also finally took my grandfather paternity test. Be that as it only yes its a man is to be found that is responsible for their actions fairly and honestly, and not hide paternity test over 2 years.
Money is not required or requested and pre-inheritances, except for people living on inheritances will not be shared kene Money might otherwise be a motive but the fool knows that US citizens do not heritage to Finland and from Finland to get to the United States, it is some wiseacre keep motivated. It is well known fact that children around coldly leave their fathers or mothers who only care about themselves, and they never will respect and compassion.
Not many consider even me, I do not want to have anything to do with my child, but the reason I am least prepared to tell when a child is of age and if it asks. The child is born innocent.
Not everyone is quite so miserable that need a private detective to investigate other possible extra-marital children and criminal background, I can do it myself, but I asked the Forum, which could cost bank transfers, when they are around $ 1-5 / query, the kind I have not found.
You not understand, if I that, whether free of charge which can investigate and, if so, to what address. I began to suspect from one of the basis of my knowledge he knew that something old criminal background may be, but I do not know any further and, anyway, I hope, and I do not even believe that the rumors were true.
Confirmed just the thing. I'm sorry if I have you, unknown to human mind displeased about deeply.

You think that the old man should now then reward it that managed to evade 54 years and mourn when he had to have blood tests, can be when you'd seen and experienced with regard to the fatherless children.

[observer53]

I'm sorry, there really is an English language barrier here. I know you are trying, but it is just too hard to sort out what you are saying.


If there is no one more fluent in English that can post here for you, then try using Google Translate or some other computer application to translate for you from Finnish and then copy and paste it here.


There are websites that supposedly look up criminal records for you for a small fee, but there is no place where you can get that done for free. I'm not sure it would lead you to useful information.


You can get access to a lot of court records for free, but you have to know where the action was filed. There is probably a website for the county court that Denver is in, where you can do a case search with his name and see what you find. That would be a start. That would include criminal cases, civil cases, family cases, paternity, etc.

[howard555]

Proving he is your grandfather genetically or that he is the father of other children does not change one important fact. He is the one to make the decision whether he wants to know you. It's his choice.

Instead of moving there why don't you just plan a visit and plan to do other things while you are in the USA.

This way if you visit him in person and he says sorry then you have not wasted your trip.

You know your biological mother. Then be happy for that.
Maybe they can talk to their mother and father (who is the one in Denver ?) and maybe they can soften the matter for you in some small way that could make a short visit to Denver be at least a one time meeting with the person you believe is and you know as your grandfather.