[penny_in_oregon]

I am looking for a 1930 census, I dont have a subsrciption to ansestry.com, I found I believe my dad, and I am searching for clues on his mom and brother. Name Richard Howard, born 1924 residence in 1930 cook, illinois, he was born in NJ.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.......

[Susan13202]

Have you called your local library? Many of them have free subscriptions to Ancestry and you would be able to check out all the census records there.

[stacylee926]

This is what I found...
In 1930, Richard Howard lived in a boarding house type situation in Norwood Park, Cook County, IL. However, he was born in Massachusetts. The father was born in Maine and the mother was also born in Massachusetts.

There was one other Richard Howard living in Cook County, but he was born in Illinois (also a roomer).

So, I am not sure if this is him. It really depends on how sure you are of his residence and or birth state. There are no Richard Howards born in New Jersey around that birth date anywhere.

So, unfortunately I cannot help you with family names.

[mrstewart]

Originally Posted by penny_in_oregon

I am looking for a 1930 census, I dont have a subsrciption to ansestry.com, I found I believe my dad, and I am searching for clues on his mom and brother. Name Richard Howard, born 1924 residence in 1930 cook, illinois, he was born in NJ.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.......

I have been working on our family genealogy and we have some ties to Cook County around the same time your family was there...the clerks at the local government there have been VERY helpful.

Also, if you have his social security number you can order the social security registration which will probably list the information you need. I believe it si $27 to order...

Good luck!

[elenamaria51]

Hello I saw you were looking for census 1930, go to the main library were you live they have all the records.All the main libraries hace Ancestry.com for free y you can look up free as well.I am telling you this because I was like crazy looking for a member of a friend of mine anf I found it in the library in Ancestry.com and it was from the 1910 census ! Try it and you will see.

[penny_in_oregon]

Thank you very much,
This family is such a mystery, lol..I have my fathers BC, it says cooper hospital, march 1 1924. I found another mystery today, I called the church where my grandparents married, st. joan of acrh, I asked her to look up a baptism, thinking maybe they had him baptised there, she found my dad didnt have a baptism on record, but. she found they had another child Charles william napolitano he was a year older than my dad, so my plot thickens,...my dads name at birth was napolitano somehow his name turned to howard, at least by age 17 when he went into the navy, his mom changed his name to howard his grandmothers maiden name..I may never figure this out...I am going to contact social security, I do have his number..my question is what info will be on the application? If anyone knows what info will also be in the full navy jacket I just ordered? I have never found one ounce of info on his birth name,
confused......

[hcgCali]

What were your grandparents' names?
Is your father Richard Rhoades Howard?

Try his SS number here: Social Security Death Index Interactive Search and see what you get, because when I search by his name, no one with his birthday comes up.

There is a Charles William Howard born 20 Aug 1923, died 17 Oct 2008. Last residence in Montana. Do you suppose he's your uncle?

Is it possible that your grandfather died while the boys were young, and your grandmother married Mr. Howard who adopted the boys?

[penny_in_oregon]

Hi
Thanks for your time, I know these searches take alot of time, and I thank you,
Yes, his name was richard rhoads howard, his brother I just found his birthday was exactly one year to the day of my dad's. HIs bday is march 1, 1923 my dad's is march 1,1924 on my dads birth cert. it says how many children living including this birth my grandmother wrote 2. I heard a story about my grandmother, she had a child die, she went to the catholic church to ask for help and they couldnt help her, she turned away from the catholic church after that. The brother and mother I am soaked up in is Jack Howard and Elizabeth Howard, she changed the names before my dad went into the navy in 1941, she never remarried, her son jack took care of her, she lived on her own until her death, my dad and jack had issues over her estate, when jack died my dad got alot of her belongings, jewlery mostly. I think what happened is she left her alcoholic husband and fled with the kids, I found a relative years ago who since died, who said the husband, my dads father, was a pretty bad alcoholic. I found him, he died in hackensack nj, died dec.18, 1969 His b-day was January 1, 1894. All I could find on him anywhere was a ss death index. I called the library closest to his place of death and they found a death notice with the name of the cemetery. I called the cemetery, and he was there, his parents, my great grandparents were there as well, shouldnt my dad be in a census somewhere in 1930? The grandparents married May 4, 1922. Grandfathers name was napolitano, would it matter on Charles william napolitano, the church spelled it Neapoletano" my guess is maybe, charles is really jack, I have allways thought jack was older then my dad, is there a way to upload the BC I have on my dad, to take a look at the confusion?
thanks so so much.....I know that jack lived in florida, for sure, I found an elizabeth howard on florida death index on her with the exact b-day as hers, December 15, 1894 I just sent for the death certificate on that person.
thanks again.

[penny_in_oregon]

Flickr: penny eddy's Photostream to view marrage and birth certificates...

[hcgCali]

You realize, that isn't his birth certificate? It's a correction request. Notice that on the correction line, she's filled in the birth date, along with the name correction. It could have been, she filled out forms on both sons at the same time, and changed their birth dates along with the names. This would account for the "coincidence" of them being exactly one year apart... those may not be their actual birth dates. You might want to order a copy of his original birth certificate from NJ to see what says. You may want to order your uncle's too, under a genealogical request.

What is the signature on the correction certificate? Bessie? She may be listed as Bessie in the Census. And may be Naples instead of Napolitano. You didn't give your grandfather's first name (and middle name/initial if you know it). Any names you have can be useful in the search. Often families lived together, and if your grandparent's names don't come up in the search, their parent's names might. I concur with Stacee's post, that Richard Howard born in NJ in 1924 is not in the Census, so it will take a little sleuthing to find the family. Also, do you know if your grandfather was born in the U.S.? I may be able to find immigration/naturalization papers on him or his parents, which would give you a little more history. (need parents' names)

The Census records are tricky. Census takers back then made lots of mistakes, especially on non-anglo names. (Just like the church did, apparently) It's trial and error to search for the family if it doesn't come up on the correct spelling. Birthdates can be transcribed wrongly into the searchable database, too, because the census takers didn't record dates, they recorded ages. So the transcriber can get it wrong by a year in either direction. That's why the transcriptions say "about" 1924... because it may not be exact.

Question: Why do you think they were in Illinois in 1930? Do you have some evidence of that? I don't want to narrow the search to just Illinois unless you are sure. And do you think Elizabeth had left her husband by that time?

And then, lastly, I'm a little unclear as to what you are searching for. It sounds like you have the names, dates and family history on all these people. I'm not sure that the 1930 Census will tell you anything you don't already know. It would help to know specifically what to look for.